state game SOUTH AUSTRALIA v victoria

[bayman]

...........it's the state guernsey that I don't want them to wear.

It was worn by a lot of state sides well before SOR was ever dreamed up, why should that change now, it is the SANFL's representitive guernsey, all ways has been, it doesn't belong to the state government or the AFL, it belongs to the SANFL. Even the Amatuers guernsey is different, the blue & yellow on the V are reversed to the SANFL one.

not always ian, we did change it to the 3 verticle striped jumper in the 70's which included white, but i agree with everything else you've said

[gadj1976]

Yeh, I said that too. I know it was worn in the 60's onward, I just said that I don't think a rep team should wear it.

We wont agree, and that's fine. Enjoy them wearing it, and then in two years time wearing the Big V, then the WAFL thingo, but it doesn't have the same effect for me.

The Crows weren't allowed to use the state guernsey for heritage week because it wasn't a guernsey that represented their heritage and I agree. They weren't playing for the state, hence the only team that should wear it are South Australians. I recall comments during that argument that blokes like Van Berlo, Reilly etc have no regard for the State jumper so why should they wear it. To me, it's the same in principle. That's all, and like I said, I'm happy to stand alone in my opinion, but don't have a go at me for stating such.

But also, they've changed it from Royal blue to Navy - so shouldn't you be angry at such change if they've changed the guernsey for a rep side?

BTW, in my wardrobe I've got a state guernsey used in the 80's that Kernahan and the like wore and it's nothing like the current guernsey.

[spell_check]

BTW, in my wardrobe I've got a state guernsey used in the 80's that Kernahan and the like wore and it's nothing like the current guernsey.

I like that guernsey, wouldn't mind owning one of them myself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8zkDAqky14

[Pseudo]

it is the SANFL's representitive guernsey, all ways has been,

Actually Ian, it hasn't always been.... SA once wore black and white, and originally wore brown and turquoise (!). Red Blue and Gold was adopted for a carnival in the '30s. Surely you must remember the "panelled" guernsey - with a predominant white panel - worn in the late seventies / early eighties?

Nevertheless I agree that the current guernsey deserves to be regarded as the traditional guernsey and should be worn by the SANFL team with pride.

[Pseudo]

Further to the above.... I just dug up some notes I made from an article in the 1995 Footy Budget, authored by the late great John Wood:

In 1879 Red White and Blue was worn, the design is unknown. (Won't the doggy fans be pleased with that!)

In 1891 Black and White jerseys & caps were worn. White knicks, Black hose.

1901 the state of SA adopted the piping shrike. Port was the black and white magpies by 1902. "There is a case for arguing that Port snitched the State's colours and its symbol". - as written by the former Port historian himself!

1907 Purple jerseys with white horizontal bands. White knickers. SAFA became SAFL.

1908 Brown and turquoise. (so this wasn't the original colours, like I claimed above)

in the early '30s a conference was held among sporting groups to decide the unified colours. Red Yellow and Navy (sic) was decided upon.

1936 the Sunday Mail ran a competition to design a state guernsey. Don't know what came of this.

1979-85 SA wore the panelled guernsey with the bonus white.

Not sure if any other designs were used besides the traditional "yoke" jumper. I have vague memories of seeing pictures of players of Ken Farmer's era in a jumper with the letters "SA" on it... or did I simply dream this up?

[eaglehaslanded]

I thought Alleway was great with 6 goals but disaponted in the choice to name him Fos Williams Medalist. I thought mouse was best on ground. Perrie chimed in well - why is it this guy always kicks the more difficult ones and misses ost of easy ones. The goal from charlie was a piece of magic. I was impressed with Treeby with 3 goals - wish he'd kick more goals for Eagles. I thought Hart under utilised Dabrowski. I didn't see much point of having him in he side considering the lack of game time hye received.

[G]

Eaglehaslanded, you've already gone on record as saying what a joke Darel Hart is as a coach but even after a 65 point win there is still criticism.
Parry rucked for the first 20 odd mins in the 2nd quarter when the side set up their domination and killed the Vics in the centre square and have you ever heard the saying "if it aint broke, dont fix it".
ps. If Alleway didnt win the medal, 2nd in the voting was Luke Crane.

[Ian]

not always ian, we did change it to the 3 verticle striped jumper in the 70's which included white, but i agree with everything else you've said

Wasn't that a such a great lookung guernsey



IIRC correctly the early SOR sides also wore that guernsey ??

[Ian]

but it doesn't have the same effect for me.

It never will be the same again, the original VFL/AFL raped the game and we have to make the most of what we have left. it's now gone from them taking the best from around Aust. to us doing the same with those that aren't playing AFL.

The Crows weren't allowed to use the state guernsey for heritage week because it wasn't a guernsey that represented their heritage and I agree.

And neither should they be allowed to wear it. IMHO opinion they should wear a different SANFL club guernsey each year with the exception of Ports.

But also, they've changed it from Royal blue to Navy - so shouldn't you be angry at such change if they've changed the guernsey for a rep side?

I also prefer the Royal Blue, not the Crows Dark blue, but it was pointed out to me over the weekend that the Blue used this year is the same blue used prior to changing to the Royal Blue, maybe it's the Crows that should change blues instead

[Ian]

in the early '30s a conference was held among sporting groups to decide the unified colours. Red Yellow and Navy (sic) was decided upon.

That seems to back up what I was told about the Blue used this year

I have vague memories of seeing pictures of players of Ken Farmer's era in a jumper with the letters "SA" on it... or did I simply dream this up?

I have also seen similar pictures

[Hondo]

The SA panelled guernsey with the white was brought in for the state of origin carnival in Perth at the end of 1979.

We then went back to the current version in 1986 IIRC partly because of the 150 year birthday celebrations for South Australia. Partly too probably because the traditional version looks better.

As for the Crows, I always thought the reason they chose navy blue was because royal blue, red and yellow was already taken by Fitzroy. Presumably the aesthetics of navy blue (in a mostly blue strip) also came into it?

On the argument about whether the current side should wear it - I think they should as it's the SANFL representative strip as has been long before SOO. It's calling them South Australia that I had some issue with when less than half were actually South Australians. I think SANFL v VFL was the better way of describing it.

Well done on the win lads!

[Pseudo]

The Crows weren't allowed to use the state guernsey for heritage week because it wasn't a guernsey that represented their heritage and I agree.

And neither should they be allowed to wear it. IMHO opinion they should wear a different SANFL club guernsey each year with the exception of Ports.

... and IMHO that would defile every SANFL guernsey bar Port's.

[Thunderstruck]

G'Day, not sure if this has already been posted, but I am wondering if anyone knows where to find the official stats of the game (including tackles, frees, hitouts etc) and not just the kicks handballs and goals.

Cheers

[Squawk]

If Alleway didnt win the medal, 2nd in the voting was Luke Crane.

What were the votes G?
I thought Thomas was best on ground, and agreed that Nahas was best for the Vics. Thomas set up a lot of play across half back, was excellent defensively and his delivery (bar one shocking kick) was great all day. I dont begrudge Alleway winning with his 6 goal haul but I thought Thomas made a stronger contribution. FWIW.

I have to say I really enjoyed the game - gave me a real chance to watch players from the other teams in more detail than I normally do in home and away games.

[Mickyj]

Parry rucked for the first 20 odd mins in the 2nd quarter when the side set up their domination and killed the Vics in the centre square and have you ever heard the saying "if it aint broke, dont fix it".
ps. If Alleway didnt win the medal, 2nd in the voting was Luke Crane.

True but when SA looked bad in the first quarter it was dobber who came on and got the guys going .
What I would like to know is what happened to Skipworth he went from 40 touches in club footy to not many in a state game.Yes I know he had a knee injury.

[Grimmett]

Congrats to all SANFL fans on your strong performance against the VFL on the weekend. Too good, played strong, done fine.

Couple of comments if I may.
Can't agree with fester about the SA guernsey being for only State of Origin. It's the SANFL's guernsey that they allowed to be used in the SOO era not the other way around, surely? If the SANFL played in something different all the Vics would be asking where is your 'proper' jumper. The AFL doesn't claim ownership of the Big V and prevent the VFL or other rep teams from using it or variations such as the Vic Metro and Vic Country guernseys.
I also agree with the sentiment of a few who have said that it's pointless working out how many Vics are in the SA squad or vice-versa. It's promoted as a state clash but essentially it's an interleague fixture between the SANFL and the VFL. That being the case it doesn't matter where they came from, just that they're elgible to play. Put on the jumpers, the classic jumpers even, and get on with the game.
Lastly, it has been contended by some that the SANFL is 'raping and pillaging' Victoria in return for all the t=years that the VFL did it in the pre-AFL era. Maybe, but I don't agree. It's economics in my opinion. Prior to the Crows creation the best guys in SA often moved across to Victoria to earn the maximum they could while they were able. Many stayed at home but they were either satisfied with their earning potential through work or they were the absolute stars who earned as much in the SANFL as they would've in the VFL. Thinking, maybe incorrectly I'll admit, of guys like Cornes, Ebert, Robran, etc. here. Shit, as a Richmond supporter I can remember that we signed Michael Aish to a Form Four and he got some cash out of the club and then he stayed home anyway. Smart boy! Nowadays the guys who are maybe aware of their ticket to the AFL having passed them by decide that they might well be best off earning what they can and the monetary powerbase at state level is clearly in SA. Good luck to the SANFL clubs who recruit guys from interstate and to the guys who earn the cash. A guy like Jeremy Clayton has definitely been worth the investment for Port and I'd hazard a guess that he'll become a permanent SA resident upon his retirement. Same for the Gowans' I suppose. But you'll always get some blokes like Brent Tuckey too. Not every recruit pans out, not even back in the dim, dark days of the VFL 'raping and pillaging' SA.

As I typed that a thought crossed my mind. Anybody else reckon Clayton would be a monty to coach Port at some time in the future?

[Adelaide Hawk]

as a Richmond supporter I can remember that we signed Michael Aish to a Form Four and he got some cash out of the club and then he stayed home anyway. Smart boy!

A lot of players in SA would do this just to stop other VFL clubs from hounding them. I know Barrie Robran signed with Carlton simply to get them off his back. He had no intention of going.

Aish eventually tried his luck with Essendon in 1985 but he was suffering back soreness at that time so he never stayed.

[Grimmett]

as a Richmond supporter I can remember that we signed Michael Aish to a Form Four and he got some cash out of the club and then he stayed home anyway. Smart boy!

A lot of players in SA would do this just to stop other VFL clubs from hounding them. I know Barrie Robran signed with Carlton simply to get them off his back. He had no intention of going.

Aish eventually tried his luck with Essendon in 1985 but he was suffering back soreness at that time so he never stayed.

Never really saw Aish play apart from maybe a SOO game or two. Would he have been good enough pre-injury?