ST KILDA the excuses

[Strawb]

St. Kilda has the biggest problem in the league and it is the culture of the club. Yoghurt has more culture. St Kilda was never successful in the VFL except one special year. The side was invited to the league with Carlton (depending what book you read) and they lost all their games for the first years of the club in the VFL. Thomas was a joke the only success he had was at Warrnambool and even then it was only because the club opened the cheque book. Thomas couldn't coach a vine up up a dunny wall. All you need to do is look at the guy and he spells loser. This changing captains every year is only done in little league and any of the junors compitions around Australia. It is time for Grant Thomas to go St. Kilda needs to wake up and smell the coffee the guy has no idea on what he is doing.

[sydney-dog]

Strawb07

Totally agree, it backs up what I said in my earlier post, the club appointed Blighty to change the club culture, Blighty was prepared to make some tough decisions as he did with the crows and the club did not back him........ this is why they will not be successful, they lacked courage to make the tough calls.....

Mal, mentioned in an earlier post Blighty's my way or te highway approach, well Mal the Saints targeted Blighty for this reason, flew key players to the Gold Coast to entice him out of retirement for this reason and hired him for this reason, but then come crunch time the club failed to see it through, no courage, this is why your club has failed........

In regards to your comments that Luck played a part in Adelaide's premiership, luck plays a part in every clubs seaon, whether it's injuries, free kicks, tribunal decision or game day events, the Crows also had bad luck with Roo and Modra injured so it all evens out.......

[Leaping Lindner]

After listening to all of you
SK[ or AINTS i like that dig] has to
1 sack the coach
2 sack the fitness coach
3 sack the captain[give it a natural leader]
4 sack the CEO butters
5 stop using injuries as an excuse
6 stop going to the movies

what about

7 leave telstra DOOM ?

Why? Their record there up until this year has been fine and I think you'll find their record at the MCG is much much worse. Where would you have them play their home matches?

[sydney-dog]

Moorabin

[RustyCage]

St. Kilda has the biggest problem in the league and it is the culture of the club. Yoghurt has more culture. St Kilda was never successful in the VFL except one special year. The side was invited to the league with Carlton (depending what book you read) and they lost all their games for the first years of the club in the VFL. Thomas was a joke the only success he had was at Warrnambool and even then it was only because the club opened the cheque book. Thomas couldn't coach a vine up up a dunny wall. All you need to do is look at the guy and he spells loser. This changing captains every year is only done in little league and any of the junors compitions around Australia. It is time for Grant Thomas to go St. Kilda needs to wake up and smell the coffee the guy has no idea on what he is doing.

Didn't they lose their first 43 games?

[ORDoubleBlues]

First to admit that I am a Blight fan.
I put the question to the....... When Thomas runs his race at St Kilda, would any other club appoint him as a senior coach in the future?
Interesting that Blight's preseason for the 2001 season was blamed for the club having so many hamstring injuries, yet since he left, the leg injuries have not abated. Don't think it would be too much of a stretch to say that Hamill and Gehrig would never have come to the club if they knew Blight was only going to last half a season.
Do admit that Blight lost the plot a bit in his last season with the Crows and his style wouldn't have endeared him to all of his players - anyone remember Austin McCrabb? I think his finest achievement as a coach was winning the '97 flag with a group of players who individually will probably go down in history as the least accomplished flag winning side of all time.
Bottom line is that I think St Kilda's window has already closed and even if they sacked Thomas tomorrow, the next coach will need to do some rebuilding.

[mal]

ORDoubleBlues.

Brilliant BLIGHT and Terrible THOMAS.

Arguably the best coach ever vrs. the worst coach ever.

Both had one thing in common.

LEG INJURIES AT TELSTRA ! when in charge.

[Mr66]

St. Kilda has the biggest problem in the league and it is the culture of the club. Yoghurt has more culture. St Kilda was never successful in the VFL except one special year. The side was invited to the league with Carlton (depending what book you read) and they lost all their games for the first years of the club in the VFL. Thomas was a joke the only success he had was at Warrnambool and even then it was only because the club opened the cheque book. Thomas couldn't coach a vine up up a dunny wall. All you need to do is look at the guy and he spells loser. This changing captains every year is only done in little league and any of the junors compitions around Australia. It is time for Grant Thomas to go St. Kilda needs to wake up and smell the coffee the guy has no idea on what he is doing.

Didn't they lose their first 43 games?

48 games. Round 1 1897 to Round 17 1899.
Grant Thomas is not the problem NOR solution PA, there have been other people
better qualified than him that have failed to lift this sorry lot.

[mighty_tiger_79]

MAL

YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA

I MEAN THOMAS IS JUST AS BAD AS CONNOLLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY BOTH CANT COACH

I THINK ITS COMPLETELY ABSURD WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN HERE!!!!!!!!!! HOW ABOUT YOU JUST GO BACK TO THE GAMBLING ROOM AND STAY IN YOUR KENNEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

leave the FOOTY TALK TO THE EXPERTS

[mal]

MT79

You have set me up beauti'fool'ly

There are 2 star teams sharing TELSTRA DOOM
being SK + WB
Below are the injuries in the Advertiser wed. 17/5/06

'AINT KILDA
-------------

CLARKE R QUADRICEP
GWILT LEG
BROOKS HAMSTRING
CLARKE X HIP
HAMILL KNEE
WATTS ANKLE
KOSCHITSKE SKULL

WESTERN BULLDOGS
-------------------------

DARCY KNEE
WALSH KNEE
WILLIAMS ANKLE
WIGHT ANKLE
MORGAN KNEE
MINSON LEG


There is also ES who play on this heep

ESSENDON
--------------

LLOYD HAMSTRING
CAMPEREALE HAMSTRING
HIRD HAMSTRING
FLETCHER KNEE
MCVEIGH BACK
RIOLI KNEE
HENNEMAN SHOULDER

3 TEAMS 20 INJURIES
17 LEG RELATED INJURIES

I might not know as much about footy as the experts on this forum
but I can see a trend for the 3 teams playing there.

As for THOMAS being a poor coach, yeah i can agree on that.
But SHEEDY is a great coach and he struggles there now
At one stage ES played exclusively at the MCG now look.

My gripe is THOMAS and other coaches on this shit heep
will never rightfully justify thier true potential as coach

[Punk Rooster]

HIRD HAMSTRING

In defence of Telstra Dome, Hird did his hammy while brushing his teeth...

[am Bays]

MT79

You have set me up beauti'fool'ly

There are 2 star teams sharing TELSTRA DOOM
being SK + WB
Below are the injuries in the Advertiser wed. 17/5/06

'AINT KILDA
-------------

CLARKE R QUADRICEP
GWILT LEG
BROOKS HAMSTRING
CLARKE X HIP
HAMILL KNEE
WATTS ANKLE
KOSCHITSKE SKULL

WESTERN BULLDOGS
-------------------------

DARCY KNEE
WALSH KNEE
WILLIAMS ANKLE
WIGHT ANKLE
MORGAN KNEE
MINSON LEG


There is also ES who play on this heep

ESSENDON
--------------

LLOYD HAMSTRING
CAMPEREALE HAMSTRING
HIRD HAMSTRING
FLETCHER KNEE
MCVEIGH BACK
RIOLI KNEE
HENNEMAN SHOULDER

3 TEAMS 20 INJURIES
17 LEG RELATED INJURIES

I might not know as much about footy as the experts on this forum
but I can see a trend for the 3 teams playing there.

As for THOMAS being a poor coach, yeah i can agree on that.
But SHEEDY is a great coach and he struggles there now
At one stage ES played exclusively at the MCG now look.

My gripe is THOMAS and other coaches on this shit heep
will never rightfully justify thier true potential as coach

But where did these injuries occur

Raph Clarke hasn't played a ones game this year so he has only seen Morrabin
Watts only played at Ubi Dubi Subi
HAmill did his injury at the "G"
Fletcher last game was at the "G"


I think it is more than just Colonial Stadium....

Plus I know Quinny is abreast of the best recovery techniques and if Starcevich isn't he needs to have a good hard look at himself.

don't blame the surface for your leg injuries blame the conditioning programs......

[mal]

TASSIE

Was STARCEVICH the guy who was the fitness bloke
at BL when they won 3 flags?
He has an impressive regime but not at SK. as yet.

Also a AFL footballer QUOTE:
" I stuffed up my leg playing at TS and I had
problems ever after"
This guy was from a south australian AFL club.

Yeah i realise some on that lst did the injury elsewhere
but just how much the shifting from surface to surface
had to do with that i cant elaborate.

I cant get close enough to ask AFL footballers to comment
but it would be interesting to hear thier views.

Also Robert Harvey was a real fitness player inthe 90"s
I know he got into his thirties 2000+ but he also had various
leg problems as well.

[am Bays]

Was it the fitness program that won Brisbane the three flags or the players.....

The better my players the better I coach is an old maxim in sport...

Is Starcevish the best, Bradshaw, has a history of hamstring problem, Leppitch has hardly played for three years, Black has had back-related hamstring problems (I won't mention Hadley's knee as knees as the forces involved in rupturing an ACL are so great that it is much more difficult to condition against that no matter where they play)

Or maybe telstra dome has a hand in all thise injuries given given the plethora of games Brisbane play there.....

[sydney-dog]

Mal there are also 14 other clubs with injuries, including Adelaide, Welsh has stress fractures, Perrie has a knee, Roo has had hamstring problems, Edwards has missed with a calf injury.......

Yes the footy world recognises that the TD Surface is a lot harder but don't use this as an excuse for the clubs poor performance, your club needs to be smarter about it's training methods and stop bringing players back too quickly, like at present they are playing Luke Ball who is carrying injuries, now do the crows play players who carry injuries, no they rest them

[Booney]

A losing mentality for far too long,one which Blight tried to eradicate but appears to be far too deeply entrenched.

[mal]

INJURY CHECK ALL CLUBS

SK/WB/ES 20 17 LEG RELATED
OTHER CLUBS 74 41 LEG RELATED

Believe it or not.

'AINTS bad coach, bad CEO, bad home ground, bad history.

AND THEY STILL FINISH TOP 4 SOMEHOW.

[doggies4eva]

Having read all of the injury stats above I can conclusively state that if you play AFL standard footy on a grassed surface there is a risk of injury and it will probably be in the lower part of your body.

[JK]

Having read all of the injury stats above I can conclusively state that if you play AFL standard footy on a grassed surface there is a risk of injury and it will probably be in the lower part of your body.

LMAO

[mal]

SORRY

Sorry that Ive sounded like a broken record all the
way through this topic.

Imagine if the'AINTS win the 2006 flag.................