State Squad Announced

[smithy]

Its an interesting dilemma for selectors in that do they honour the best players 21 in the SANFL this season with state selction or do they pick a team with the best balance and the best oppurtunity to beat the vics. IMHO these are two totally different matters.

What are your thoughts, should the state team be the best 21 available or the best balanced team availabe?

What about picking the best coach for the job first?

[Wedgie]

Its an interesting dilemma for selectors in that do they honour the best players 21 in the SANFL this season with state selction or do they pick a team with the best balance and the best oppurtunity to beat the vics. IMHO these are two totally different matters.

What are your thoughts, should the state team be the best 21 available or the best balanced team availabe?

What about picking the best coach for the job first?

Darel Har'ts undefeated as state coach isn't he?
His record would only be 2nd to Mike Nunan who was also undefeated.

[smithy]

WEdgie, I'm sure you know what I was referring to.
His SANFL coaching record couldn't possibly of got him the job as state league coach or do you honestly believe that it was his superior coaching ability that got SA over the line last match ?

[Wedgie]

WEdgie, I'm sure you know what I was referring to.
His SANFL coaching record couldn't possibly of got him the job as state league coach or do you honestly believe that it was his superior coaching ability that got SA over the line last match ?

IIRC his record was pretty good when he first got the job and he hasn't coached a losing side the SANFL has seen no need to remove him from the job.
Makes sense to me.
Just as he did a good job at Assistant Coaching in the AFL perhaps one off matches suit his style too.
If it ain't broke don't fix it, his record is better than Graham Cornes, Neil Kerley and Jack Cahill at state level.

[BUZZ]

I cant beleive Hargraves hasnt been selected, absolute joke?

[whufc]

I cant beleive Hargraves hasnt been selected, absolute joke?

I don't think Hart belives Hargraves and Chambers could both play well in the same side together.

[BUZZ]

Would be a hard combination to stop if it fired, just play one of them 1 out in the goal square and give the other a free reign up forward?

[whufc]

Would be a hard combination to stop if it fired, just play one of them 1 out in the goal square and give the other a free reign up forward?

I agree that both should be in there add to that Ian Perrie to play as a lead up CHF doing all the donkey work and i think you have a very very very hard forward line to combat.

[BUZZ]

Would be a hard combination to stop if it fired, just play one of them 1 out in the goal square and give the other a free reign up forward?

I agree that both should be in there add to that Ian Perrie to play as a lead up CHF doing all the donkey work and i think you have a very very very hard forward line to combat.

Would at least make the game entertaining

[drebin]

Would be a hard combination to stop if it fired, just play one of them 1 out in the goal square and give the other a free reign up forward?

I agree that both should be in there add to that Ian Perrie to play as a lead up CHF doing all the donkey work and i think you have a very very very hard forward line to combat.

Hmm you would have Perrie play CHF ahead of Alleway???

[Wedgie]

Would be a hard combination to stop if it fired, just play one of them 1 out in the goal square and give the other a free reign up forward?

I agree that both should be in there add to that Ian Perrie to play as a lead up CHF doing all the donkey work and i think you have a very very very hard forward line to combat.

Hmm you would have Perrie play CHF ahead of Alleway???

I think he was joking.

I hope he was joking!

[BUZZ]

Would be a hard combination to stop if it fired, just play one of them 1 out in the goal square and give the other a free reign up forward?

I agree that both should be in there add to that Ian Perrie to play as a lead up CHF doing all the donkey work and i think you have a very very very hard forward line to combat.

Hmm you would have Perrie play CHF ahead of Alleway???

No friggin way

[whufc]

Would be a hard combination to stop if it fired, just play one of them 1 out in the goal square and give the other a free reign up forward?

I agree that both should be in there add to that Ian Perrie to play as a lead up CHF doing all the donkey work and i think you have a very very very hard forward line to combat.

Hmm you would have Perrie play CHF ahead of Alleway???

Yeah interesting decision i must admit in my previous post i did completely forget about Alleway (my apologies as i do rate him as a gun CHF)
I guess on there careers you would have to say Perrie has probably achieved more than Alleway al la amount of AFL games.
On current form they would probably be pretty close but i would put Alleway a nose infront.
The biggest factor and reason why i think Perrie would be ahead is the fact he is starting to play a fair few games with Chambers who no doubt will be the FF and they are building a good combination.
In a one of game i think Hart will go with two players who know each others games well rather than trying to create a combo such Chambers and Alleway. That in my opinion will be the only reason Perrie will be selected ahead of Alleway.

[smithy]

WEdgie, I'm sure you know what I was referring to.
His SANFL coaching record couldn't possibly of got him the job as state league coach or do you honestly believe that it was his superior coaching ability that got SA over the line last match ?

IIRC his record was pretty good when he first got the job and he hasn't coached a losing side the SANFL has seen no need to remove him from the job.
Makes sense to me.
Just as he did a good job at Assistant Coaching in the AFL perhaps one off matches suit his style too.
If it ain't broke don't fix it, his record is better than Graham Cornes, Neil Kerley and Jack Cahill at state level.

Last season of coaching in SANFL, North finished 9th and in 6 years of coaching made finals once.

Hardly a record that looks great on the resume' and worthy of coaching our state side I wouldn't of thought.

[Wedgie]

WEdgie, I'm sure you know what I was referring to.
His SANFL coaching record couldn't possibly of got him the job as state league coach or do you honestly believe that it was his superior coaching ability that got SA over the line last match ?

IIRC his record was pretty good when he first got the job and he hasn't coached a losing side the SANFL has seen no need to remove him from the job.
Makes sense to me.
Just as he did a good job at Assistant Coaching in the AFL perhaps one off matches suit his style too.
If it ain't broke don't fix it, his record is better than Graham Cornes, Neil Kerley and Jack Cahill at state level.

Last season of coaching in SANFL, North finished 9th and in 6 years of coaching made finals once.

Hardly a record that looks great on the resume' and worthy of coaching our state side I wouldn't of thought.

Having the equal best record as a state coach looks pretty damn good for me since he's lining up for that job.

If he was putting in a resume for a job as a SANFL club coach then I'd agree with you but IMHO that's pretty irrelevent. Be as relevent as him being an assistant coach to the Crows when they won a flag.

[drebin]

Would be a hard combination to stop if it fired, just play one of them 1 out in the goal square and give the other a free reign up forward?

I agree that both should be in there add to that Ian Perrie to play as a lead up CHF doing all the donkey work and i think you have a very very very hard forward line to combat.

Hmm you would have Perrie play CHF ahead of Alleway???

Yeah interesting decision i must admit in my previous post i did completely forget about Alleway (my apologies as i do rate him as a gun CHF)
I guess on there careers you would have to say Perrie has probably achieved more than Alleway al la amount of AFL games.
On current form they would probably be pretty close but i would put Alleway a nose infront.
The biggest factor and reason why i think Perrie would be ahead is the fact he is starting to play a fair few games with Chambers who no doubt will be the FF and they are building a good combination.
In a one of game i think Hart will go with two players who know each others games well rather than trying to create a combo such Chambers and Alleway. That in my opinion will be the only reason Perrie will be selected ahead of Alleway.

Perrie and Chambers have played a total of how many games together - 6??? If Perrie gets a game ahead of Alleway then the selectors need their heads read. You are also forgetting that Alleway was the Vic CHF the last time the sides met so he has had the benefit of playing in these types of games which are completley different to club games.

P.S. BTW I rate Perrie and I was very disappointed that he left North and the circumstances of how that came about. He would be a very valuable contributor to our side this year - especially as it seems with the loss of Wundke and Weatherley we are back to relying on Damon White and shortly Nick Gill to fill a key fwd possie.

[whufc]

quote="BUZZ"]Would be a hard combination to stop if it fired, just play one of them 1 out in the goal square and give the other a free reign up forward?[/quote]

I agree that both should be in there add to that Ian Perrie to play as a lead up CHF doing all the donkey work and i think you have a very very very hard forward line to combat.[/quote]

Hmm you would have Perrie play CHF ahead of Alleway???[/quote]

Yeah interesting decision i must admit in my previous post i did completely forget about Alleway (my apologies as i do rate him as a gun CHF)
I guess on there careers you would have to say Perrie has probably achieved more than Alleway al la amount of AFL games.
On current form they would probably be pretty close but i would put Alleway a nose infront.
The biggest factor and reason why i think Perrie would be ahead is the fact he is starting to play a fair few games with Chambers who no doubt will be the FF and they are building a good combination.
In a one of game i think Hart will go with two players who know each others games well rather than trying to create a combo such Chambers and Alleway. That in my opinion will be the only reason Perrie will be selected ahead of Alleway.[/quote]

Perrie and Chambers have played a total of how many games together - 6??? If Perrie gets a game ahead of Alleway then the selectors need their heads read. You are also forgetting that Alleway was the Vic CHF the last time the sides met so he has had the benefit of playing in these types of games which are completley different to club games.[/quote]

I think Perrie's AFL career proves he is more than capable to handle the pressure of a state game.
BUT i will say i think Alleway is a better footballer than Chambers but for a one off game i think the selectors will go with Chambers/Perrie combiniation.
By the the time the state game comes around they could have played at least 8 games together which is 8 games more than Chambers/Alleway have played together.
Also you cant afford to have Alleway and Chambers taking a quarter of football to work out each others leading patterns out, it could cost you a game one quarter.
Like i said for a one of game i think they will go with Chambers/Perrie. BUT I AGREE 100% ALLEWAY IS THE BETTER FOOTBALLER

[drebin]

Your arguement about players not knowing each others game doesn't stack up. Does that mean the whole midfield (including rucks) and defence also have to play in the same club side so they know where to run and how to support each other????

[whufc]

Your arguement about players not knowing each others game doesn't stack up. Does that mean the whole midfield (including rucks) and defence also have to play in the same club side so they know where to run and how to support each other????

I think though through out Hart's time as state coach he has definatly picked his FF and CHF as a combination. Like with Schell, Cowan and Graham all playing up forward in the last state match.
There was no way all three were the best three tall forwards in the state but he did pick them for there combination.
IMHO your FF and CHF is the hardest positions on a football field to find players who compliment each other geez i have seen Central win a grand final without a ruckmen.

[Aerie]

There are probably plenty of unlucky players. Treeby I mentioned in another thread. I would have had him first pick from the Eagles players. Slade I think is one of the best in the comp - although haven't seen Central this season, he has still been in the best players a few times. Ladhams or McConnell would be handy in the forward line. Anyway, from the squad, here's a stab (pretty much in the dark) of my 21:

FF: Callinan Chambers Salter
HF: Gum Alleway Backwell
C: Treeby Powell Sheedy
HB: Thomas Schell McKenzie
FB: Kane AhChee Torney
R: Dabrowski Clayton Allan
I: Fisher Cranston Crane Summerton

I like the look of that back line...

edit - Treeby now in the squad...