jonathon brown

[GWW]

I think that had Jonathon Brown played 15 years ago, he would have been a standout due to the way he plays, although yes he probably wouldn't have been ranked right up there with Carey, maybe alongside someone like Stewart Loewe.

[Drop Bear]

Hopefully Brown can play another 8 or so years and prove to everyone that he is better than the King!

[rod_rooster]

Hopefully Brown can play another 8 or so years and prove to everyone that he is better than the King!

He could play for another 80 years but he will never be the King. Brown is a wonderful player though but the King is the King.

[rod_rooster]

Just a couple of reminders as to how good Carey was.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=YvJJRWLw2GA

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=g42H2QwJZEg&NR=1

[Drop Bear]

I suppose King and God are already taken.
How about the Big Snake? (as in King Brown).

[Punk Rooster]

I would rate Brown ahead of Loewe.
Carey is similar to Shane Warne, in that we expected them to do something freaky, & they did.
(leave the the jokes out of it)

[Drop Bear]

There's always room for jokes Punkie.

[LaughingKookaburra]

Obviously the game has changed, not as much kicking down the line to the CHF one out with his opponent. Carey was the best at that one on one battle. I think Brown will be up there by the end of his career but it will be hard to top Carey. Can't remember Carey being triple teamed all that much, not as much as Brown has against Sydney or Bulldogs for example. Brown is by far my favourite player of the past 3 - 5 years and will be for some time.

Carey wasn't triple teamed because there was awesome full-backs like Silvagni, who could limit his influence on his own...

when did silvagni ever play on Carey?? for my memory it was always Michael Sexton who played on Carey. Silvagni was not big enough to go with Carey around the ground. Also Carey did not play much at Full Forward until his Adelaide days when he was too slow to play CHF on a continous basis.

[LaughingKookaburra]

I think that had Jonathon Brown played 15 years ago, he would have been a standout due to the way he plays, although yes he probably wouldn't have been ranked right up there with Carey, maybe alongside someone like Stewart Loewe.

Jonathon Brown is a hell of alot better player than Stuart Loewe ever was.Yes he could mark but his kicking for goal at times was terrible. I'd rate peter Everitt better than Loewe.

[Dirko]

When did Silvagni ever play on Carey?? for my memory it was always Michael Sexton who played on Carey. Silvagni was not big enough to go with Carey around the ground. Also Carey did not play much at Full Forward until his Adelaide days when he was too slow to play CHF on a continuous basis.

SOS played on Carey in the 95 finals series, kicked one goal IIRC, also stood Ablett in the GF and held him goal less....

[locky801]

HAd the pleasure many many years ago of being involved as assistant team Manager of North adelaide Under 176s when Carey played there, was already a Star in that comp, went from strength to strength however still not the best I have seen. As for Brown, if henow manages to stay fit and injury free I think he will surpass Carey as the best CHF in the VFL/AFL

[gadj1976]

Dunno, difficult to assess, 90's footy vs modern footy.

Just on his contract negotiation - personally if Brisbane stutter and don't sign him, I'd see Melbourne make the HUGEST play for him ever seen - come off season.

[McAlmanac]

Dunno, difficult to assess, 90's footy vs modern footy.

This is an excellent point. How would Carey and Pagan's Paddock have fared with the uber-flooding of today? Pretty well, I'd suggest, but it may have diluted some small portion of his greatness. And that flooding is what Jonathan Brown has to deal with regularly. What if Brown had operated in the long-kick-to-centre-half-forward days?

I reckon they're fairly similar in stature, but it's still Carey at this point.

[Baron Greenback]

I suppose King and God are already taken.
How about the Big Snake? (as in King Brown).

I like it DB.
The Big Snake or even just The Snake.
Gold.

[best on hill]

how have you people out there rated joathon 'king' brown year so far

[CK]

An interesting year for Brown. Has suffered occasionally from the very high standards he sets - he kicks 2-3 and is considered to have had a quiet day, but the stats show 17-18 disposals, and 10-12 marks. No doubt having Bradshaw back has taken some pressure from him, but while there have been some good goal tallies, the accuracy still lets him down at times (had a couple of games with 6-7 behinds also). Brisbane would be unlikely to go more than 2 weeks in finals until they can find another forward who can regularly get 3-4 goals to take the pressure from both of these players though. Someone like Jared Brennan or Clark would be ideal but they are still fairly sporadic in goal output.

As to where Brown sits in comparison to Carey, not a hard one: Carey still by a fair way. I saw plenty of games where Carey just tore the opposition to shreds on his own terms (one of his best games wasn't played on free-to-air TV in Adelaide unfortunately, when he kicked 11 in a game in 2000 during the Sydney Olympics). On the other hand, current game styles often leave Brown competing against 2-3 opponents for the mark; this wasn't so prevalent with Carey. Would be an interesting exercise to see how Carey at his peak would compete in the current game style of AFL, with more flooding of numbers back into his path, more inclination to leave 2 players on him most of the day etc. Brown is certainly up there in terms of the power forwards, but Carey set and maintained high standards for a long, long time and its a shame that he is often more remembered nowadays for what he achieved in his last 2 years of football, and post-football, than what he was like before that.

[JK]

I think an element of Browny's game that get missed at times is how well it's allowed Bradshaw to play this year, still not suggesting he's up there with the King who dominated whilst Longmire was still kicking goals for the Kanga's.

As someone else mentioned, hard to judge in completely different era's (not just the Pagan's paddock method, but the fitness levels these days and system designed to create less contest) ... Both will go down as champions but I reckon Carey will sit pretty comfortably on the throne for a while to come.