The truth about the Power

[smithy]

a talentless Kangaroos outfit. .

How do you finish 3rd in the AFL with no talent? Id be interested in your deeper views on this...please

You getting Deja Vu Dutchy ? LOL

[FD88]

Actually until you guys can come up with anything of substance to convince me and the greater football public that Port doesn't have a problem in this area (because based on what we are seeing, they do), this argument has been won by me, by default.

They obviously don't have a problem in that area according to you because you think they'll beat the crows.

Gee whiz, see here: Clearly I think Port has a deficiency in this area or else I wouldn't have made this topic. BUT very few of the club's supporters, or indeed the media, seem to think there is a problem at all. You guys want to turn a blind eye to it. So I'm now saying ok, I'll play along and assume there isn't an issue but then if there isn't an issue, I have the expectation that Port will easily beat the Crows! Because if there isn't a deficiency in this area then there is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for Port to lose to the Crows. I'm placing expectation on Port, pressure on Port.

Of course I don't REALLY expect Port to win, I'm just saying that I am, because that's the entire point, I'm playing along with the rest of you who don't want to think that perhaps their Port team cannot handle contested football.

[Dutchy]

a talentless Kangaroos outfit. .

How do you finish 3rd in the AFL with no talent? Id be interested in your deeper views on this...please

Gutless....cant back up his own statements...

[FD88]

a talentless Kangaroos outfit. .

How do you finish 3rd in the AFL with no talent? Id be interested in your deeper views on this...please

Gutless....cant back up his own statements...

If you want to discuss the kangaroos further then by all means PM me, I'm talking about Port here though. Don't be insulting, I don't insult you, I expect the same courtesy.

[smithy]

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Of course I don't REALLY expect Port to win, I'm just saying that I am, because that's the entire point, I'm playing along with the rest of you who don't want to think that perhaps their Port team cannot handle contested football.

But how can you say you are playing along when you made the statement on the 1st post of this topic.
No-one had had an opinion on this subject to change your thinking when you stated that the power get monstered by the crows style of play yet you think they'll win the showdown.

[FD88]

a talentless Kangaroos outfit. .

How do you finish 3rd in the AFL with no talent? Id be interested in your deeper views on this...please

Gutless....cant back up his own statements...

Yeah...smart move to edit there. But seriously, back up MY statements? How about you guys tell me why I'm wrong about Port if you're so adamant?

[Dutchy]

a talentless Kangaroos outfit. .

How do you finish 3rd in the AFL with no talent? Id be interested in your deeper views on this...please

Gutless....cant back up his own statements.....

If you want to discuss the kangaroos further then by all means PM me, I'm talking about Port here though. Don't be insulting, I don't insult you, I expect the same courtesy.

You insulted me by your initial statement, and then insulted me again by not responding and backing up your statement, by this I can then safely assume you have NFI.....quite simple really....

you chose to comment on the Kangaroos on this thread, yet if I want to Ive got to PM you?....again NFI

Dont believe what you said?.....then thats gutless

Hope this clarifies things

[Dutchy]

a talentless Kangaroos outfit. .

How do you finish 3rd in the AFL with no talent? Id be interested in your deeper views on this...please

Gutless....cant back up his own statements...

Yeah...smart move to edit there. But seriously, back up MY statements? How about you guys tell me why I'm wrong about Port if you're so adamant?

I havent said a thing about Port....

[FD88]

How do you finish 3rd in the AFL with no talent? Id be interested in your deeper views on this...please

Gutless....cant back up his own statements......

If you want to discuss the kangaroos further then by all means PM me, I'm talking about Port here though. Don't be insulting, I don't insult you, I expect the same courtesy.

You insulted me by your initial statement, and then insulted me again by not responding and backing up your statement, by this I can then safely assume you have NFI.....quite simple really....

you chose to comment on the Kangaroos on this thread, yet if I want to Ive got to PM you?....again NFI

Dont believe what you said?.....then thats gutless

Hope this clarifies things

I chose to comment on the Kangaroos in relation to Port's run in the finals, then you wanted to take it further and talk about the Kangaroos themselves, in greater detail. This isn't the place, but by all means another topic, or PM sure mate. Go ahead.

Edit: And after all this no one has actually told me why I'm wrong, in fact you could delete every responding post in this topic and we'd be no further along. That's what gets me about these forums, everyone loves to bag someone who makes a bold statement, but when it comes to actually telling them why they are so very wrong (if they are), they don't have anything of use to say.

[NFC]

The Roos were the worst team in history to reach the PF. I think I made a thread about it.

Anyway I agree with the OP. The Power haven't drafted too smart over the past year or two as they have added more players who are quick, flashy and skillful but will never be guys to get the contested ball on a regular basis. That’s where the Crows have done well at the draft table, adding a good mix of both. In Knights, Reilly, Thompson, VB, Vince and co we have a great balance and IMO our midfield is shaping up really, really well.

[rod_rooster]

The Roos were the worst team in history to reach the PF. I think I made a thread about it.

Oh dear. This is going to get ugly when Dutchy returns

For what it's worth and attempting to stay somewhat on topic, regarding Port, FD88 has many valid points particularly regarding the recruiting.

[FD88]

The Roos were the worst team in history to reach the PF. I think I made a thread about it.

Anyway I agree with the OP. The Power haven't drafted too smart over the past year or two as they have added more players who are quick, flashy and skillful but will never be guys to get the contested ball on a regular basis. That’s where the Crows have done well at the draft table, adding a good mix of both. In Knights, Reilly, Thompson, VB, Vince and co we have a great balance and IMO our midfield is shaping up really, really well.

Thanks for the support NFC, I was beginning to think I was the only one agreeing with what I was saying.

[Westsider]

Troll.

[am Bays]

I can see this thread dying over the next two - three days but I predict it will resurrect itself at about 7:30 pm next Sunday.....

[devilsadvocate]

and the grand final appearance last year????????

You know full well what happened running into the GF. An Eagles outfit running on one leg, a talentless Kangaroos outfit. Port supporters, and indeed the rest of the competition deep down inside, know that Port wasn't the most worthy opponent for the Cats. But credit to them, they made it to that final match with a side that had no right to get there. Of course, we all know what happened when they came up against a genuinely physical side; there was nowhere to hide, nowhere to run, they couldn't handle contested footy when it came right down to it, and they will continue to struggle with this (the whole foundation of footy) until they start blooding some hunters of the ball.

I'm so f****** sick of hearing this s***t argument. Port made the GF because they were one of the best 2 teams - PERIOD. The other teams didn't make the GF because they weren't bloody good enough. Yes Port got thumped, but they were clearly the next best placed side to be competing in the GF.

Either way Port got there and full credit to them but when they did get there they were exposed in contested footy, and badly too. You don't think it's an issue?

Yes it's an issue. Port relies on fitness and pace and have obviously been found out.

My problem is with idiots saying Port didn't deserve to be in the GF last year and that they weren't one of the 2 best teams last year - they were.

[Booney]

I know a few years back Port made a serious play at getting Mark Johnson,the former Bomber,now Docker.His toughness would have been a handy replacement for the loss of Hardwick and Carr at the time,missing out on him a few years ago was a sore point at Alberton for some time.When he did come on the market it was too late in his career for him to be of any worth.(As Fremantle are finding out)

Nothing like sticking to your guns FD.........how is it working out for you?

[Rik E Boy]

Edit: And after all this no one has actually told me why I'm wrong, in fact you could delete every responding post in this topic and we'd be no further along. That's what gets me about these forums, everyone loves to bag someone who makes a bold statement, but when it comes to actually telling them why they are so very wrong (if they are), they don't have anything of use to say.

I don't think you are wrong about Port's lack of physicality but I disagree that this is a 'big statement'. It's more like stating the bleeding obvious IMO. The reason why people are bagging you is because you have come out with such well though out gems as 'talentless Kangaroos' and 'Port were lucky to qualify'. If you paint a big target on your guts people are going to throw stones at you.

Cheers,

REB

[evans01]

i can see your pint FD, but Port have/had a different game plan, sure in a perfect world it would be nice to have a few more "Hard Nuts" in the side but you also have to work with what you've got, remembering those kind of players dont grow on tree's and the way the AFL tribrunal is somewhat of a dying breed........

But i agree your argument does have some merit and from a Ports perspective it would be great to have the like's of Carr, Hardwick and Pickett in their prime and in the side but not to be..............

But i do find it difficult to understand that you say Port cant handle the Crows yet you have tipped the Power???

[Macca19]

Rowey hit the nail on the head, many of us have been saying it for ages but for some reason the media and wider public refuses to admit it: this team cannot handle tough, contested footy!

Most Port supporters have been saying this for years.

For all the praise they have received for their recruiting, their kids are just about all outside receivers who get monstered by the physical sides. And what of their quietly developing players? Marlon Motlop, Krakouer and so on...they are the same fleet-footed hands-off types that they already have.

And then there is Logan, Carlile, Williams, Bentley, Thomson, Boyle, Lower, Thomas, Boak and Gray. These guys are the harder players. Just a pity most of them cant get a game.

You lost me when you mentioned Vince as a muscle bound tough player.

[Macca19]

Didn't they win a flag a few years ago and get to a grand final hiding last year.How about winning something or winning a few finals when the heat is on before preaching the stuff?

They won that flag before they began their absurdly unbalanced recruiting. James, Hardwick, Carr were all part of that side were they not? Since then they have taken on a pace obsession and have recruited with this obsession. If you don't agree that they have loaded up on too many of the same types of players you are outright kidding yourself. It is a clear issue.

redden whites has a point. The Crows may have these big bodied players, but they also havent proved a bloody thing when it matters most. The Crows finals record this decade, and under Craig is terrible.

Onto Ports drafting since the Premiership

04:
Thomson - Inside player
Willits - Built like a tank
Ezard - well built tough tagger
Deluca - skinny ruckman
Eckermann - outside small
Ware - outside small
Pearce - outside small

05:
Lower - tough small defender
Carlile - built like a tank
Minson - skinny ruck
Giles - skinny ruck
Thomas - tough defender/midfielder
Bentley - mid size, not tough, not soft utility
Logan - inside midfielder

06:
Boak - Centreman. Good build
Stewart - Defender, medium build
Krakouer - outside player
Gray - for/mid, medium build
Westhoff - skinny forward
Williams - Def/Mid, medium build
Rodan - Tough midfielder, built like a tank
Cockshell - Well built forward

07:
Lobbe - skinny tall
Motlop - small midfielder
Westhoff - skinny tall
Farmer - well built def/mid

At the moment, the balance in the first team is wrong. But saying we havent bothered to look for anyone else buy pacey players is complete bull shit.