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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby Wedgie » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:07 pm

Nup, I must concede, hundreds of SANFL footballers have died in the 100+years its been running. Lets panic and move games away from where they're programmed during the real season stuffing up TV, volunteers, spectators, the players themselves all because of something that might happen, moving games to nowhere near where they were scheduled costing clubs 1000s of dollars and in the event of recent years possibly sending them bankrupt.
And in regard to trial games, programming trial games late in the afternoon or at night was a stupid idea of mine, lets program them all for 2pm so we can move them each week stuffing everyone around.
FFS. :?

Can someone let me know exactly how many SANFL footballers have played the game and exactly how many have died of heat exhaustion?

Common sense people, geezus, you'd all get gigs in the government at managerial level. :?

Common sense (and Wedgie) says:

a) Implement more breaks IF the occasional league game (ie once every 5 or 10 years) is a hot day which the SANFL have done.
b) Program all trials in March for late afternoon or night games which North did in the recent trial game.

or take away the common sense and cater for something that's never happened stuffing things around, costing money and keep all games played at midnight with no spectators allowed so the Martians that MAY land don't shoot the spectators with their Lazer guns. In recent years more young footballers have died in car crashes, let's ban cars too.
Let's take the bumps, tackles and running out of the game and put a few 50 year old women in charge of the game while we're at it.

Christ, its not rocket science people, thank christ you guys aren't in charge. :roll:
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby gadj1976 » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:16 pm

Wedgie wrote:Nup, I must concede, hundreds of SANFL footballers have died in the 100+years its been running. Lets panic and move games away from where they're programmed during the real season stuffing up TV, volunteers, spectators, the players themselves all because of something that might happen, moving games to nowhere near where they were scheduled costing clubs 1000s of dollars and in the event of recent years possibly sending them bankrupt.
And in regard to trial games, programming trial games late in the afternoon or at night was a stupid idea of mine, lets program them all for 2pm so we can move them each week stuffing everyone around.
FFS. :?

Can someone let me know exactly how many SANFL footballers have played the game and exactly how many have died of heat exhaustion?

Common sense people, geezus, you'd all get gigs in the government at managerial level. :?

Common sense (and Wedgie) says:

a) Implement more breaks IF the occasional league game (ie once every 5 or 10 years) is a hot day which the SANFL have done.
b) Program all trials in March for late afternoon or night games which North did in the recent trial game.

or take away the common sense and cater for something that's never happened stuffing things around, costing money and keep all games played at midnight with no spectators allowed so the Martians that MAY land don't shoot the spectators with their Lazer guns. In recent years more young footballers have died in car crashes, let's ban cars too.
Let's take the bumps, tackles and running out of the game and put a few 50 year old women in charge of the game while we're at it.

Christ, its not rocket science people, thank christ you guys aren't in charge. :roll:


Wegs, stop throwing your blouse over your head and calm down......

For TRIAL games, there is no reason why anyone should play in such heat.

Geez, as a parent, I wouldn't want my son playing in a trial game in 35 degree heat. Casisi lost 1.4 kg against Carlton the other week, and the SANFL teams do not have the same experienced scientists watching weight and dehydration.

For home and away games, shorten the quarters, have a break at 10-15 mins. The current idiocracy of the AFL saying you can only have 16 interchange goes against every fibre of sports science theology.
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby Wedgie » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:22 pm

gadj1976 wrote:For TRIAL games, there is no reason why anyone should play in such heat.


Read my post!

I say all trial games should be scheduled for late in the day or at night. FFS its NOT rocket science.
No need to reprogram them or move them and everyone's happy. COMMON SENSE!!!!!

If mine (and North's) idea was adopted by other clubs or the SANFL it would not be an issue. :roll:

Is anyone reading what Im actually saying or do they all have their heads under the desk in case alien's land on the same day a SANFL player dies of heatstroke? :?
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby smac » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:24 pm

The clubs have a duty of care and they know it and take it pretty seriously. I seriously doubt they would be endangering their players at this stage, they are taking all necessary precautions.
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby am Bays » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:25 pm

Okay for general population this is what happens...

Games are moved forward in time.
No more than 4 qtrs per game (we originally planned to play 5 x 20 mins today for the ressies but the league said nup too hot for five you are playing 4).
extra long breaks
Extra breaks
Use of ice vests
8-10 man benches

I know for a fact Glenelg were educating their players all week on how much to drink post training and pre match to avoid dehydration to the point that every fresh Glenelg player that played in the main game was hyper-hydrated based on on our measurements pre-game - so I've been told.

Todays conditions were not dangerous in anyway shape form for fit educated league footballers - crikey some of our players have played in much worse when they've played off season in Darwin....
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby Wedgie » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:27 pm

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:Okay for general population this is what happens...

Games are moved forward in time.
No more than 4 qtrs per game (we originally planned to play 5 x 20 mins today for the ressies but the league said nup too hot for five you are playing 4).
extra long breaks
Extra breaks
Use of ice vests
8-10 man benches

I know for a fact Glenelg were educating their players all week on how much to drink post training and pre match to avoid dehydration to the point that every fresh Glenelg player that played in the main game was hyper-hydrated based on on our measurements pre-game - so I've been told.

Todays conditions were not dangerous in anyway shape form for fit educated league footballers - crikey some of our players have played in much worse when they've played off season in Darwin....


Finally some common sense. Thank you Tassie!
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby Dirko » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:28 pm

I actually sat next to the Bay's interchange bench in the last quarter in the sun because it was cooler then sitting under the grandstand tin roof in a stifling environment. The little bit of breeze that fluttered was quite nice. The players didn't seem to mind, and most of them shrugged off the wet towel and just had a big drink.

Hydration is the key. Keep the fluids up and rotate the bench...
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby gadj1976 » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:30 pm

Wedgie wrote:
gadj1976 wrote:For TRIAL games, there is no reason why anyone should play in such heat.


Read my post!

I say all trial games should be scheduled for late in the day or at night. FFS its NOT rocket science.
No need to reprogram them or move them and everyone's happy. COMMON SENSE!!!!!

If mine (and North's) idea was adopted by other clubs or the SANFL it would not be an issue. :roll:

Is anyone reading what Im actually saying or do they all have their heads under the desk in case alien's land on the same day a SANFL player dies of heatstroke? :?


No, everyone tells me not to bother.
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby Wedgie » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:35 pm

gadj1976 wrote:
Wedgie wrote:
gadj1976 wrote:For TRIAL games, there is no reason why anyone should play in such heat.


Read my post!

I say all trial games should be scheduled for late in the day or at night. FFS its NOT rocket science.
No need to reprogram them or move them and everyone's happy. COMMON SENSE!!!!!

If mine (and North's) idea was adopted by other clubs or the SANFL it would not be an issue. :roll:

Is anyone reading what Im actually saying or do they all have their heads under the desk in case alien's land on the same day a SANFL player dies of heatstroke? :?


No, everyone tells me not to bother.


Crikey, with mates like you, who needs enemies! :wink: :lol:
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby Dutchy » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:11 pm

me thinks anyone who thinks its too hot has never played any outside sport at a reasonable level....as long as you look after your body fluids and recovery there is no issue....
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby Punk Rooster » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:50 pm

Playing football in 38 degrees or warmer is just plain dangerous.
Breathing in hot air, intense heat & the fact it's difficult to replace fluids.
I'd say it's an OH&S issue
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby Wedgie » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:16 pm

Punk Rooster wrote:Playing football in 38 degrees or warmer is just plain dangerous.
Breathing in hot air, intense heat & the fact it's difficult to replace fluids.
I'd say it's an OH&S issue

The original topic didn't mention 38 degrees, it mentioned 35 degrees.
What I'd also like to know is why its so much more dangerous playing in 35 degrees than it is playing in 34.9 degrees.
Perhaps they should factor in wind and humidty into the original proposal's post too.:?
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby spell_check » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:49 pm

The hot weather policy the SANFL has, is to have a 2 minute break at the 15 minute mark of each quarter - either in trial matches or League matches for days forecast above 32*C. Quarter and half time become 10 minutes each instead of six if the forecast is 38*C or more. The only occasions the SANFL have had to do this during the regular season since it's implementation in about 2004 I think was in Rounds 2 and 3 2005.

Even this policy did not help boundary umpire Jason Mounce in Round 2 2005 - who people may recall had to be taken off on a stretcher from heat exhaustion.
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby Wedgie » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:15 pm

spell_check wrote:The hot weather policy the SANFL has, is to have a 2 minute break at the 15 minute mark of each quarter - either in trial matches or League matches for days forecast above 32*C. Quarter and half time become 10 minutes each instead of six if the forecast is 38*C or more. The only occasions the SANFL have had to do this during the regular season since it's implementation in about 2004 I think was in Rounds 2 and 3 2005.

Even this policy did not help boundary umpire Jason Mounce in Round 2 2005 - who people may recall had to be taken off on a stretcher from heat exhaustion.


Im surprised that doesn't happen more often, running the boundary is much harder than playing footy, tried it once, never again!
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby bayman » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:17 pm

Wedgie wrote:
Punk Rooster wrote:Playing football in 38 degrees or warmer is just plain dangerous.
Breathing in hot air, intense heat & the fact it's difficult to replace fluids.
I'd say it's an OH&S issue

The original topic didn't mention 38 degrees, it mentioned 35 degrees.
What I'd also like to know is why its so much more dangerous playing in 35 degrees than it is playing in 34.9 degrees.
Perhaps they should factor in wind and humidty into the original proposal's post too.:?



i changed it to 100 degrees f because that is what i meant anyway
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby spell_check » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:18 pm

Wedgie wrote:
spell_check wrote:The hot weather policy the SANFL has, is to have a 2 minute break at the 15 minute mark of each quarter - either in trial matches or League matches for days forecast above 32*C. Quarter and half time become 10 minutes each instead of six if the forecast is 38*C or more. The only occasions the SANFL have had to do this during the regular season since it's implementation in about 2004 I think was in Rounds 2 and 3 2005.

Even this policy did not help boundary umpire Jason Mounce in Round 2 2005 - who people may recall had to be taken off on a stretcher from heat exhaustion.


Im surprised that doesn't happen more often, running the boundary is much harder than playing footy, tried it once, never again!


Yes, I believe that they cover the most territory on the field out of players and umpires. It would be even worse if there was a 40 goal match on a day like that.
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby bayman » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:20 pm

Dutchy wrote:me thinks anyone who thinks its too hot has never played any outside sport at a reasonable level....as long as you look after your body fluids and recovery there is no issue....


i've played cricket in this kind of heat & apart from the obvious sweating & needing to drink i had no real problem but playing football is different to cricket in the amount of energy you'd use (fast bowlers a possible exception)
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby TroyGFC » Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:11 am

It's all climate change and the SANFL (and AFL) need to realise its time to start season a month later. These SANFL players may be fitter than us but at end of day they get FA money for what they do and all have to have a fulltime job on Monday. A really felt for the waterpeople/trainers who haven't the same stamina as the semi-professional players.
I think this will all change soon but sadly it will be too late until it gets through their dumb minds.
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby therisingblues » Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:48 am

I just got home from having a sh1t load to drink, and after reading this thread I still think Bayman has raised a good question, but love the concept about Aliens coming to land and screwing up the status quo all the same.
Love this thread! :lol:
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Re: hot tempreatures..so what would happen ?

Postby firstblood » Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:15 am

I found this article below from the USA...Now i know our clubs are very professional but the danger still exists.

Summer football brings grueling workouts in brutal heat. For football players in the dog days, mild heat illness is common and grave heat stroke always a threat (Knochel, 1975). Since 1995, on average three players a year have died of heat stroke. Heat stroke also threatens runners and other athletes; in the 2001 Chicago Marathon, a young man in his first marathon collapsed of heat stroke at 26 miles and died soon after.
Heat stroke in football sometimes seems to hit with surprising speed. When this happens, a common theme of bewildered staff is, "But he got lots of fluids." The misconception is that hydration prevents heat stroke. The truth is that hydrating is critical but not sufficient to prevent heat stroke.
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