Pokies turnover

[Rushby Hinds]

The word in the coffee shops is that turn-over from Pokies is (was) down about 25% since the no smoking rules have been introduced.

Also interest rates are on the rise.

I trust the executives of ALL our footy teams have factored these sort of events into their forward budgetting, with income down and repayments up.

Is there anyone here who works in gaming?

Would be curious to see if the great unwashed are wondering back to the dens.

[Ian]

North stated a drop in revenue at the AGM, can't remember the actual figure though.

No smoking laws have done more to reduce gambling, than Nick X has achieved in the past 10 years!

[Wedgie]

I think it was 10% Ian despite it being 15% elsewhere.

I heard it was 25% interstate but I could be wrong.

South Australian establishments seem to have catered for the change a lot better than their interstate counterparts.
I know the Northern Tavern was redecked out for it before the laws even came in from memory.

[johntheclaret]

I think it was 10% Ian despite it being 15% elsewhere.

I heard it was 25% interstate but I could be wrong.

South Australian establishments seem to have catered for the change a lot better than their interstate counterparts.
I know the Northern Tavern was redecked out for it before the laws even came in from memory.

Could it be that SA introduced the ban later than other states. When I was there I heard that SA wasn't formally enforcing the ban until November (even the hotel we stayed in allowed smoking in a section just away from the bar), but other states had already introduced it. Not sure if this is true or not ??

If it is true, that would keep the revenues up for a bit.

[Ian]

We had a 1 meter exclusion around the bar for some time JTC.

I guess SA pubs/clubs were able to learn from interstate venues and better cater for the changes. I'm suprised someone hasn't come up with an outdoor pokie rooom though

[johntheclaret]

Did the actual ban come in later in SA than other states?

[Ian]

QLD was earlier, and also far stricter rules than ours, not sure about therest.

[Ian]

This was the only thing that I could find that listed all states and territories, it was produced by Quit Victoria in 2004,

Other states and territories (July 2007)
Victoria: Smoking is now prohibited in enclosed workplaces including restaurants, cafes, shopping centres, gambling venues and licensed premises. It is also prohibited outside (and inside) at underage 'music and dance' events, under covered areas of train station platforms and at tram and bus shelters.

Australian Capital Territory: Smoking is prohibited in enclosed workplaces, shopping centres, community centres and halls. Some dining and licensed areas hold exemptions permitting smoking in restricted areas of their premises. From 1 December 2006 all exemptions will be removed and smoking will not be permitted in any enclosed public place including restaurants or licensed venues.

New South Wales: Smoking is prohibited in enclosed workplaces, restaurants, cafes and shopping centres. Smoking is not permitted in dining areas or at counters within licensed venues. Multiple room venues may permit smoking in one room that is no more than 50% of the floor area. Smoking is permitted in up to 50% of a single room licensed premises. All toilets, dance floors, auditoriums, foyers, lobbies and thoroughfares must be non-smoking.

From 3 July 2006 smoking is only permitted in 25% of total floor space. From 2 July 2007 smoking will be banned in all enclosed public places including licensed premises. Smoking will still be permitted at private gambling areas of the Star City Casino.

Northern Territory: Smoking is prohibited in enclosed workplaces, restaurants, cafes, shopping centres and the dining areas of licensed venues. Licensed premises are currently required to provide smoking and non-smoking areas of equal amenity. Smoking is prohibited on dance floors. Smoking is prohibited within two metres of entrances to non-residential buildings, three metres from external air conditioning inlets and at 50% of fixed seating at outdoor venues.

Queensland: Smoking is prohibited in enclosed workplaces, shopping centres, restaurants and cafes, dining areas of licensed premises while meals are available, bingo areas and at gambling table areas of casinos. Smoking is prohibited within 4 metres of an entrance of a non-residential building, within 10 metres of children's playground equipment, between the flags at patrolled beaches and at sports stadiums. Licensed premises are required to provide at least two thirds of the enclosed area to be smokefree and at least two thirds of all gambling machines must be non-smoking.

From 1 July 2006 smoking is prohibited in all enclosed licensed premises, however smoking will continue to be allowed at high roller rooms within casinos.

South Australia: Smoking is prohibited in workplaces, shopping centres, restaurants, cafes and dining areas of licensed premises. Licensed premises with more than one bar are required to supply at least one non-smoking bar. In licensed premises with a single bar, the smoking area is not permitted to exceed 50 per cent of the floor space and smoking is prohibited within one metre of all service areas. The casino is required to provide at least half of the bars as designated non-smoking areas.

From 1 November 2005 25% of gambling areas must be smokefree and separated from smoking areas by not less than 1 metre. From 1 November 2005 until 1 November 2007 the designated smoking area cannot contain more than 50 per cent of the gambling machines. From 1 November 2007 all exemptions to smoking in enclosed public places will be removed.

Tasmania: Smoking is prohibited in enclosed workplaces, shopping centres, restaurants and cafes, gambling areas, nightclubs and cabarets. At least 50% of an outdoor dining area is required to be smokefree. Reserved seating at outdoor venues is smokefree. Smoking is not permitted within 3 metres of entrances to public buildings and 10 metres of air intakes for ventilation. From 1 January 2006 smoking is not permitted in licensed venues.

Western Australia: Smoking is prohibited in enclosed workplaces, shopping centres, and areas where dining is taking place. Nightclubs are required to provide 80 per cent of floor space as smokefree and a voluntary code of practice requires no smoking one metre from the bar. Smoking is prohibited on the gambling floor of the casino however the high roller room is exempt. Smoking is prohibited by voluntary agreement within 5 metres of doorways of government buildings and within 10 metres of air conditioning vents. From 1 November 2005 smoking will only be permitted in one room of a multi-room licensed venue and from 31 July 2006 smoking is prohibited in all enclosed public places.



Prepared by Quit Victoria – July 2007

Page updated July 2007

[johntheclaret]

Pretty much what I heard was true then. Most states had a complete ban in 2006. That was the point I was trying to make re Wedgies 10% SA 25% others

[Psyber]

There have been studies that suggest the best predictor of alcohol abuse is smoking. Keeping heavy gamblers "likkered up" with free drinks is not unheard of in certain pokie venues.

This tends to suggest addictive behaviours go together, so it would not be surprising if pokie revenue were tied to the other two - people with addictive tendencies may get hooked on all three.

[bayman]

if they (the government) really wanted people to stop smoking they'd just ban them oh but wait how much tax excise do they get from the tobacco industry ?

[Psyber]

if they (the government) really wanted people to stop smoking they'd just ban them oh but wait how much tax excise do they get from the tobacco industry ?

And from the gambling and alcohol industries!

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I think it was 10% Ian despite it being 15% elsewhere.

I heard it was 25% interstate but I could be wrong.

South Australian establishments seem to have catered for the change a lot better than their interstate counterparts.
I know the Northern Tavern was redecked out for it before the laws even came in from memory.

bah, stupid internet thingy

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I think it was 10% Ian despite it being 15% elsewhere.

I heard it was 25% interstate but I could be wrong.

South Australian establishments seem to have catered for the change a lot better than their interstate counterparts.
I know the Northern Tavern was redecked out for it before the laws even came in from memory.

ok, got my shit together now.

They stuffed it up as well.

Based on a scientific study (me, after 10 Bundys in an argument at The Hammy the week before the ban) most punters smoke.

The talk at the Northern is that a beer garden will be where the bottle-o is now, the sports bar moved next to it with TV's able to be seen clearly from the beer garden. The only pub out this way that's actually noodled on to this is the Bridgeway from all accounts. Any pub in the Prozzie/Broadview area who have this setup will clean up bigtime.

Yes Psyber, they do go together, triple the fun.

[Psyber]

.. Yes Psyber, they do go together, triple the fun.

Well I do drink beer, wine, and spirits - that's my triple - but quality not quantity.

[zipzap]

A recent email from Sturt confirmed BarZaar had been hurting a bit since the anti smoking legislation. But because of the front courtyard they feel they are able to cater for smokers as well as non to lessen the impact hopefully

[Pseudo]

A recent email from Sturt confirmed BarZaar had been hurting a bit since the anti smoking legislation. But because of the front courtyard they feel they are able to cater for smokers as well as non to lessen the impact hopefully

So next time I take the missus and kids for a meal prior to the Unley game I'll have to put up with smokers?

[Sojourner]

The talk at the Northern is that a beer garden will be where the bottle-o is now, the sports bar moved next to it with TV's able to be seen clearly from the beer garden. The only pub out this way that's actually noodled on to this is the Bridgeway from all accounts. Any pub in the Prozzie/Broadview area who have this setup will clean up bigtime.

Checked out the Albion on Churchill Rd lately?

[Jimmy]

A recent email from Sturt confirmed BarZaar had been hurting a bit since the anti smoking legislation. But because of the front courtyard they feel they are able to cater for smokers as well as non to lessen the impact hopefully

So next time I take the missus and kids for a meal prior to the Unley game I'll have to put up with smokers?

you can always sit inside

[mighty_tiger_79]

A recent email from Sturt confirmed BarZaar had been hurting a bit since the anti smoking legislation. But because of the front courtyard they feel they are able to cater for smokers as well as non to lessen the impact hopefully

So next time I take the missus and kids for a meal prior to the Unley game I'll have to put up with smokers?

you can always sit inside

i thought there were smokers at every pub/club