Harvey better than Hird

[sydney-dog]

Syd

As for 97 enjoyed it so much and is one of the best days ive ever had @ the footy - but if you watch it closely enough I think DJ knockin the wind out of Harvey had a really big effect on Harveys influence or lack of it on that day !!!

Just to let ya know I actually know Rob personally and he rekons he was still rattlin the next day !!!

Blue Boy

My point exactly, the players that sides fear the most are those players that have the capability to hurt the opposition forward of centre, Hird, D Jarman, Roo, Buckley, Judd all win their majority of footy in the middle of the ground and hurt sides with their quality of possesion moving forward of centre.

yes Harvey is a great player, however over the majority of his career, IMO he has not been as damaging forward of centre, he average's approx half a goal a game with an accuracy rate of about 50%

all I am saying, I never feared Harvey as much as I did Hird when we played the respective sides

[Blue Boy]

Syd

As for 97 enjoyed it so much and is one of the best days ive ever had @ the footy - but if you watch it closely enough I think DJ knockin the wind out of Harvey had a really big effect on Harveys influence or lack of it on that day !!!

Just to let ya know I actually know Rob personally and he rekons he was still rattlin the next day !!!

Blue Boy

My point exactly, the players that sides fear the most are those players that have the capability to hurt the opposition forward of centre, Hird, D Jarman, Roo, Buckley, Judd all win their majority of footy in the middle of the ground and hurt sides with their quality of possesion moving forward of centre.

yes Harvey is a great player, however over the majority of his career, IMO he has not been as damaging forward of centre, he average's approx half a goal a game with an accuracy rate of about 50%

all I am saying, I never feared Harvey as much as I did Hird when we played the respective sides

You are of track with what I was saying !!!

My point is about DJ hittin him right up the middle and Harvey's ribs still rattlin the next day !!!

[Rik E Boy]

not to mention, the tactic worked a treat in the 1997 GF

LMAO. You must be the only football fan in Australia who doesn't recognise the fact that St Kilda didn't have a ruckman in that Grand Final. If you were looking for one factor, I'd suggest you start there.

regards,

REB

[Hondo]

REB St Kilda did play a ruckman - its just that they were missing spider Everitt. From memory it wasn't the Crows dominance in ruck that won us the game. More so a someone called D Jarman turned it on in the second half

I always figured it was even seeing as we lost our Full Forward the week before as well as having Vardy and Ricciuto on the sidelines. You make it sound like Nathan Burke was leading the 1st ruck

[Rik E Boy]

REB St Kilda did play a ruckman - its just that they were missing spider Everitt. From memory it wasn't the Crows dominance in ruck that won us the game. More so a someone called D Jarman turned it on in the second half

I always figured it was even seeing as we lost our Full Forward the week before as well as having Vardy and Ricciuto on the sidelines. You make it sound like Nathan Burke was leading the 1st ruck

I stand corrected. Lazar Vidovic vs. Shaun Rehn and Aaron Keating. LOL. Armchair ride from the centre in the second half, only Hall kept the Saints in it.

Ah, love you Crow supporters.

regards,

REB

ps - wasn't Burkey the back up ruckman that day?

[JK]

REB St Kilda did play a ruckman - its just that they were missing spider Everitt. From memory it wasn't the Crows dominance in ruck that won us the game. More so a someone called D Jarman turned it on in the second half

I always figured it was even seeing as we lost our Full Forward the week before as well as having Vardy and Ricciuto on the sidelines. You make it sound like Nathan Burke was leading the 1st ruck

I stand corrected. Lazar Vidovic vs. Shaun Rehn and Aaron Keating. LOL. Armchair ride from the centre in the second half, only Hall kept the Saints in it.

Ah, love you Crow supporters.

regards,

REB

ps - wasn't Burkey the back up ruckman that day?

Former Norwood boy Brett Cook was there too ... From memory Rehn pretty much dominated after half time, but there wasn't much in it in the first half ... No Spider though gave Blighty the luxury of running Pittman on Loewe, a matchup he likely would have commenced with anyway, but certainly would have had to think about had Spider played and dominated.

[Rik E Boy]

Cripes. I forgot about David Pittman, even Matty Robran could have done a job in a pinch.

One of the reasons I am no fan of the Glenelg er...Adelaide Crows is that Norwood never have recovered our former status since their emergence (ok it's not all the AFC's fault, it just seems a 'before' and 'after' thing to me). I remember sitting at Norwood Oval and Pittman was in the players area (must have been fairly early in the magoos match) and he was the biggest guy I had ever seen up close (until I went to uni with Romano Negri LOL). I thought he was going to go on and be a true Redleg giant but instead he just became a bloody Crow.

**** Port for 'creating' the Crows and **** Port for being Port. Er..carry on.

regards,

REB

[saintal]

REB St Kilda did play a ruckman - its just that they were missing spider Everitt. From memory it wasn't the Crows dominance in ruck that won us the game. More so a someone called D Jarman turned it on in the second half

I always figured it was even seeing as we lost our Full Forward the week before as well as having Vardy and Ricciuto on the sidelines. You make it sound like Nathan Burke was leading the 1st ruck

I stand corrected. Lazar Vidovic vs. Shaun Rehn and Aaron Keating. LOL. Armchair ride from the centre in the second half, only Hall kept the Saints in it.

Ah, love you Crow supporters.

regards,

REB

ps - wasn't Burkey the back up ruckman that day?

For the record, Vidovic also missed the game through injury. Cook lead the ruck with help from Sierakowski.

Harvs> Hird, but then i'm biased.

[bulldogs]

hird by a whisker just had the ability to win a game which i dont reckon harvey has.

[Mr66]

not to mention, the tactic worked a treat in the 1997 GF

LMAO. You must be the only football fan in Australia who doesn't recognise the fact that St Kilda didn't have a ruckman in that Grand Final. If you were looking for one factor, I'd suggest you start there.

regards,

REB

Plus the fact that 21 STK players collectively tore their heart muscles @ half time.

[Psyber]

not to mention, the tactic worked a treat in the 1997 GF

LMAO. You must be the only football fan in Australia who doesn't recognise the fact that St Kilda didn't have a ruckman in that Grand Final. If you were looking for one factor, I'd suggest you start there.

regards,

REB

Plus the fact that 21 STK players collectively tore their heart muscles @ half time.

!997-98 Pure unadulterated Crows' talent. And a Coach prepared to ditch those who were past it, unfit, or not committed to pulling their weight instead of partying..

[Mr66]

not to mention, the tactic worked a treat in the 1997 GF

LMAO. You must be the only football fan in Australia who doesn't recognise the fact that St Kilda didn't have a ruckman in that Grand Final. If you were looking for one factor, I'd suggest you start there.

regards,

REB

Plus the fact that 21 STK players collectively tore their heart muscles @ half time.

!997-98 Pure unadulterated Crows' talent. And a Coach prepared to ditch those who were past it, unfit, or not committed to pulling their weight instead of partying..

That 'unadulterated talent' could only manage 13 wins each year.
The luckiest team in one month, not the best team for the whole year.
Both 'premierships' (especially '97)should only count for half.

[Rik E Boy]

Spot on 66. Finish 5th and get pounded in the first final and see how far you go these days. Kissed on the you know what both years.

regards,

REB

[am Bays]

Spot on 66. Finish 5th and get pounded in the first final and see how far you go these days. Kissed on the you know what both years.

regards,

REB

Yeah especially getting to play Geelong at home when they finished higher than us, not to mention the Colbert mark.....

Mr 66 its called peaking, smart teams prepare themselves to be playing their best footy in September not August...

Its not a fluke if you do it twice in a row....

BAck on thread, for mine Hird every time over Harvey

Both were matchwinners (capable of taking a game by teh scruff of the neck or doing the miraculous)
Both had big engines (could run all day - got told in 1996 by the then Essendon fitness coach its now coincidence that our best athlete is our best player)
Both had grat skills
Both great competitors - do the hard team thngs

Hird wins it with his height (IMO) - a more versatile player could play midfield and forward as key forward target if needs be. Where as Harvey was primarily a midfielder.

[Mr66]

Spot on 66. Finish 5th and get pounded in the first final and see how far you go these days. Kissed on the you know what both years.

regards,

REB

Yeah especially getting to play Geelong at home when they finished higher than us, not to mention the Colbert mark.....

Mr 66 its called peaking, smart teams prepare themselves to be playing their best footy in September not August...

Its not a fluke if you do it twice in a row....

Yes it is.
People have won Tattslotto twice. You would call that lucky wouldn't you?
They are both fluke teams that have absolutely no respect from anybody in
the football world.
Both 'wins' aren't worth 1 1995 Carlton flag or Essendon's 2000 win

[rod_rooster]

Spot on 66. Finish 5th and get pounded in the first final and see how far you go these days. Kissed on the you know what both years.

regards,

REB

Yeah especially getting to play Geelong at home when they finished higher than us, not to mention the Colbert mark.....

Mr 66 its called peaking, smart teams prepare themselves to be playing their best footy in September not August...

Its not a fluke if you do it twice in a row....

Yes it is.
People have won Tattslotto twice. You would call that lucky wouldn't you?
They are both fluke teams that have absolutely no respect from anybody in
the football world.
Both 'wins' aren't worth 1 1995 Carlton flag or Essendon's 2000 win

I'm no Crows supporter but to suggest either of their flags are worth any less than any other teams flags is just ridiculous. Played their best footy when it counted most and other sides did not. Winning a flag is not about being the best team throughout the season but rather being the best team when it counts.

[Rik E Boy]

Not saying that the Cows flags were 'worth' less than any other, just commenting on how much luck went their way along the way. The fact remains they wouldn't have got the home semi final or the second chance under the current format. They'll have to better next time and they haven't managed it as yet.

regards,

REB

[Psyber]

..That 'unadulterated talent' could only manage 13 wins each year.
The luckiest team in one month, not the best team for the whole year.
Both 'premierships' (especially '97)should only count for half.

In the end it is when you do it that counts!

[Wedgie]

Crows have never done what Geelong did in 2007.
Mind you, no other club has.

[Blue Boy]

Crows have never done what Geelong did in 2007.
Mind you, no other club has.

We might of if Mummbles wasnt so stubborn !!!