The Ashes 25/26

[DOC]

Why does stokes not cop more then root for his record in australia? Root has got fair criticism but stokes seems to avoid it. His record in australia is abysmal outside of a ton in his 2nd test.

I guess because he bowls his guts out.

[dedja]

Work experience snicko dude claims another scalp.

Mine’s a 78, not 33 though …

[RB]

we're just not as good as we think we we are without our full compliment of bowlers

Who does the emboldened 'we' refer to LM? The players, forumites or the general public?

There's consensus that we have relatively good bowling depth (at least compared to our batting depth). Is this what you're referring to?

I can't recall any members of the current team being unreasonably bullish about our second string bowlers (bearing in mind that if asked they're naturally going to project a fairly upbeat view).

[DOC]

How good is the shirt with Symons on the front and Warne on the back.

Fantastic

[batmanbegins]

Why does stokes not cop more then root for his record in australia? Root has got fair criticism but stokes seems to avoid it. His record in australia is abysmal outside of a ton in his 2nd test.

I guess because he bowls his guts out.

Always seems a weird argument to me. They all try, stokes just shows it in a more expressive way. His bowling stats aren't that great in australia either.

[Trader]

Don't hate him in at all....in fact i spent a lot of great time with Trav when he was younger and know him pretty well. He spent his entire school entire through his primary school years at the Craigmore Y vacation care to which i was working in the holidays. Spent hours on hours bowling to him every holiday and getting smashed all over the place by him.

It's clear though through comments from himself and the coach that once the series was won the focus has gone a bit. Knowing Trav he would have said it somewhat tongue in cheek but also somewhat genuinely as he enjoys life away from cricket as well.

I know the back story so that's what spins me out when you hang him out, I'm not sure what Trav could've done yesterday to make anything any different, I'm sure he'll bat the same way, I guess if he fails he threw his wicket away was disinterested, if he tons up he's a hero.

Our bolwing was lacklustre, I don't think it was through lack of effort or desire, I'm sure they all wanna get them out and spend time in the shed, we're just not as good as we think we we are without our full compliment of bowlers, we've always bowled in pairs that compliment each other, we don;t have that at the monent and despite recent efforts Root and Brook are world class batters, we only have 1.5 world class bowlers playing atm.

I'm not sure that Harry Potter would'v made much difference, probably would've only improved our pathetic over rate, obviously the penalties are too soft, 45 overs and we finished up about 12 minuted before the scheduled tea break. Watching live you see how long the run ups are and how much time they waste piss-farting around, there is no sense of urgency whatsoever.

I'll bite.

I don't think whuffer was saying Head's attitude meant england made it to 3/210 yesterday.

Whuffer, in my opinion, was suggesting that head's comment, one of 'silver linings' rather than bitter disappointment after losing the boxing day test in 2 days, shows the attitude within the Australian dressing room.
Head's comment, was another example, that the dressing room considered the job done after adelaide, and they haven't been quite as switched on since.

Even if Whuffer wasn't saying that, then I will.

The Aussies, since Adelaide, haven't played with the same intensity.
Starc's total lack of celebration on the first wicket of this test shows that for mine.

I agree with previous comments, that the boys appear to be going through the motions for these last two tests, rather than playing with that absolute desire to win at all costs.

[Trader]

With all that said, yes, Whuffer has a hard on for watching trav fail

[Trader]

Why does stokes not cop more then root for his record in australia? Root has got fair criticism but stokes seems to avoid it. His record in australia is abysmal outside of a ton in his 2nd test.

I guess because he bowls his guts out.

Always seems a weird argument to me. They all try, stokes just shows it in a more expressive way. His bowling stats aren't that great in australia either.

Averages less than 40 with the bat and more than 30 with the ball.

Remembered for a few 'special' knocks but in the main, his regular performances are meh.

[Lightning McQueen]

we're just not as good as we think we we are without our full compliment of bowlers

Who does the emboldened 'we' refer to LM? The players, forumites or the general public?

There's consensus that we have relatively good bowling depth (at least compared to our batting depth). Is this what you're referring to?

I can't recall any members of the current team being unreasonably bullish about our second string bowlers (bearing in mind that if asked they're naturally going to project a fairly upbeat view).

Some forumites and basically whoever I discuss cricket with, along with what I hear through the media, we take Cummins, Hazelwood and Lyon out of the side we lose nearly 1200 wickets.

Boland's best and worst are worlds apart, Neser is servicable and quite handy, compared to the relentless pressure that Cummins and Hazelwood apply then you can see how much easier it can be for the Poms.

[RB]

Why does stokes not cop more then root for his record in australia? Root has got fair criticism but stokes seems to avoid it. His record in australia is abysmal outside of a ton in his 2nd test.

I guess because he bowls his guts out.

Always seems a weird argument to me. They all try, stokes just shows it in a more expressive way. His bowling stats aren't that great in australia either.

At a guess, the fact that Stokes bowls, comes in at six, and is capable of winning a test off his own bat - if occasionally, and albeit not in Australia - probably weighs on most people's minds.

I agree with you though, his batting average of 25 in Australia should mean that he cops at least as much as Root.

[Lightning McQueen]

Kez is even at the top of his game when it comes to reviews at the moment.

In every aspect.

[am Bays]

we're just not as good as we think we we are without our full compliment of bowlers

Who does the emboldened 'we' refer to LM? The players, forumites or the general public?

There's consensus that we have relatively good bowling depth (at least compared to our batting depth). Is this what you're referring to?

I can't recall any members of the current team being unreasonably bullish about our second string bowlers (bearing in mind that if asked they're naturally going to project a fairly upbeat view).

The problem is that for the last eight years we've had a stable committed test attack. This has made blooding the next level difficult. At the same time they took a minimum of four years (Hazelwood) before they started to dominate in 2017-18 - Starc debut in 2011 Cummins in 2010. Both Hazelwood and Cummins had to overcome significant back injuries.

We have some young prospects who are treading the same path (recovering from back injuries) Morris, Vidler & Johnson and Richardson is just coming out the other side of shoulder and back injuries. Doggett and Buckingham are potentials so we have depth but they just haven't been tested enough at international level yet especially as we saw with the current three that it takes 4+ years post their debuts to properly learn the caper.

Thees going to be a dip when they all go. Us keyboard warriors will be critical and claim they are sh!te but the reality is that we need to start getting them in and letting them learn this test caper ready for 2027 in England.

[DOC]

Well deserved century to Root.

Still a chance to catch Sachin.

[Trader]

Why does stokes not cop more then root for his record in australia? Root has got fair criticism but stokes seems to avoid it. His record in australia is abysmal outside of a ton in his 2nd test.

I guess because he bowls his guts out.

Always seems a weird argument to me. They all try, stokes just shows it in a more expressive way. His bowling stats aren't that great in australia either.

At a guess, the fact that Stokes bowls, comes in at six, and is capable of winning a test off his own bat - if occasionally, and albeit not in Australia - probably weighs on most people's minds.

I agree with you though, his batting average of 25 in Australia should mean that he cops at least as much as Root.

I think it's more to do with what we expect from them.

Root is class, so the fact it took him til his 18th test in Australia to get a red ball ton here, was surprising, and an obvious item to question.
Stokes is meh, so people didn't expect much from him, so when he averages 30 with the bat here, no one is overly surprised so it doesn't attract the same amount of commentary as Root's (now resolved) issue.

[Lightning McQueen]

With all that said, yes, Whuffer has a hard on for watching trav fail

I should've just stopped at my first line

[Lightning McQueen]

we're just not as good as we think we we are without our full compliment of bowlers

Who does the emboldened 'we' refer to LM? The players, forumites or the general public?

There's consensus that we have relatively good bowling depth (at least compared to our batting depth). Is this what you're referring to?

I can't recall any members of the current team being unreasonably bullish about our second string bowlers (bearing in mind that if asked they're naturally going to project a fairly upbeat view).

The problem is that for the last eight years we've had a stable committed test attack. This has made blooding the next level difficult. At the same time they took a minimum of four years (Hazelwood) before they started to dominate in 2017-18 - Starc debut in 2011 Cummins in 2010. Both Hazelwood and Cummins had to overcome significant back injuries.

We have some young prospects who are treading the same path (recovering from back injuries) Morris, Vidler & Johnson and Richardson is just coming out the other side of shoulder and back injuries. Doggett and Buckingham are potentials so we have depth but they just haven't been tested enough at international level yet especially as we saw with the current three that it takes 4+ years post their debuts to properly learn the caper.

Thees going to be a dip when they all go. Us keyboard warriors will be critical and claim they are sh!te but the reality is that we need to start getting them in and letting them learn this test caper ready for 2027 in England.

Having to forcibly change 3 at once itsn't ideal. Blooding one at a time is more apt.

[Lightning McQueen]

I'll bite.

I don't think whuffer was saying Head's attitude meant england made it to 3/210 yesterday.

Whuffer, in my opinion, was suggesting that head's comment, one of 'silver linings' rather than bitter disappointment after losing the boxing day test in 2 days, shows the attitude within the Australian dressing room.
Head's comment, was another example, that the dressing room considered the job done after adelaide, and they haven't been quite as switched on since.

Even if Whuffer wasn't saying that, then I will.

The Aussies, since Adelaide, haven't played with the same intensity.
Starc's total lack of celebration on the first wicket of this test shows that for mine.

I agree with previous comments, that the boys appear to be going through the motions for these last two tests, rather than playing with that absolute desire to win at all costs.

Do you think it has something to do with the absence of Cummins' captaincy/onfield leadership?

[RB]

Weird shot to play after just getting caught off a no ball.

[Armchair expert]

[Jim05]

Stay behind the line you dumb prick