PAFC 2025

[Jimmy_041]

Does a coach get a farewell game? if not, part ways this week and let Carr iron out some issues before 2026.

New game plan has been implemented this season, are they already using the Carr plan?

Seems to be as good as the Button Car Plan

[Dutchy]

I think every club has 4+ injuries on their list, its this time of year you need depth, Port don't have it.

[The Bedge]

Don't disagree, was more pointing to the fact losing 3 blokes before half time - and what you'd consider important players to your structure - doesn't help your cause when you're already having depth tested.

[Dutchy]

It didn't help with the final outcome, but looked like they were in a fair bit of trouble even early on.

[MW]

Don't disagree, was more pointing to the fact losing 3 blokes before half time - and what you'd consider important players to your structure - doesn't help your cause when you're already having depth tested.

Didnt Geelong lose Bowes and Danger before half time too? You were one down on rotation vs Cats. Should not be the difference for a 70pt thrashing.

[amber_fluid]

Could be worse
You could be Ross Lyon and the Saints

[RB]

Lots of talk about Port lacking depth. Given they've also got some really top players and a number of All Australians, it suggests a weirdly structured list. Not sure that they're getting much in over the next few years either unless they trade for it.

Which leads me to the question - do they need to consider trading the likes of Butters who's surely worth 2 or 3 first-rounders and commence a proper rebuild?

[Trader]

Butters and Bergman might both make the decision for them...

[amber_fluid]

Butters and Bergman might both make the decision for them...

I’ll have Bergman at the Blues please

[Brodlach]

Their lack of key position players is their real worry. Midfield superb, running players (half back/wing) very good, ruck (Sweet) under rated, the rest yuk.

[daysofourlives]

Im of the view now that Port have to keep Hinkley at least for most of the season given they have already annointed Carr.
They cant hand over to Carr now, what if nothing changes? If they keep getting belted then there will be calls for Carrs head before he even starts and if he is implementing some of his ideas already where to then.
Hinkley just has to remain to take the bullet if you like. Perhaps the showdown could be his last game, get them up for that one last game, ruin the Crows season, theres nothing more Hinkley than that. Then Carr gets a couple matches of a honeymoon period and head into next season with a couple late wins to build on.

[MW]

Keep performing like this for the remainder of the year, and you run a greater risk of losing Butters and Bergman. Pull the trigger now and give Carr more time at the helm. Carr gets a free hit remainder of the year.

[Armchair expert]

Is Carr really holding back some ideas?

[MW]

If this year is all Josh Carr, whats the point in Ken being there then?

[Booney]

Lots of talk about Port lacking depth. Given they've also got some really top players and a number of All Australians, it suggests a weirdly structured list. Not sure that they're getting much in over the next few years either unless they trade for it.

Which leads me to the question - do they need to consider trading the likes of Butters who's surely worth 2 or 3 first-rounders and commence a proper rebuild?

This is what happens when you try and evolve ( not rebuild ) on the run and not bottom out. We're one of the most active traders every trade period and we're willing to give up top end picks for established / high end talent. There's risk associated with top end picks, they don't always work out so our philosophy has been to target recruits to cover needs instead of going to the draft except where we've seen talent we want.

In 2018 we moved Polec, Pittard and Wingard out to get to Rozee, Butters and Duursma.

In 2019 Howard and Ryder got moved out to get Bergman and Georgiades.

You'd have to say they've all worked out pretty well.

What that has done has put and emphasis on our talent development and it's one area we've lacked in for some years. Good clubs turn players taken in the 30's, 40's and 50's into 200 game players. So where you say our list looks unbalanced it has been that way for a while. Our top end talent for the last 10 years, say top 4-6 on the list, have been elite.

All Australians -
2015 - Gray and Wingard
2016 - Pittard
2017 - Gray and Ryder
2018 - Gray
2019 - N/A
2020 - Byrne-Jones, Boak, Dixon
2021 - Aliir, Wines
2022 - Rozee
2023 - Houston, Rozee, Butters
2024 - Houston, Butters

What we haven't done is bring players in from the 30-60 draft pick range and make them into regulars. Thus our list looks unbalanced.

Drew (pick 33), Byrne-Jones (52) the only two that played on the weekend that we drafted out side of the top 30. Moreas (38), Lord (49) Visentini (56) all played but I'm not calling them established like Drew and DBJ are, I hold hopes for all of them though.

We've also been able to bring many of our first round draftees straight into the side.

Rozee, Wines, Butters, Sinn, Boak, Bergman, Georgiades, Berry, Marshall, Jones, Powell-Pepper all made ground very early so our talent ID at draft time is good when we get first rounders, the talent development of the later picks leaves something to be desired.

Unbalanced.

We're not alone in this and it goes someway to reinforcing why our executive have kept Hinkley going for as long as we have. Year after year we hear how our list doesn't have depth yet ( in the last 5 years anyway ) we keep finding ourselves in the top 4. He's done alot right but he's been afforded every opportunity with around 6 list transitions on his time. That time needs to come to an end. ( Should have 3 years ago but that's history now ).

[Booney]

Keep performing like this for the remainder of the year, and you run a greater risk of losing Butters and Bergman. Pull the trigger now and give Carr more time at the helm. Carr gets a free hit remainder of the year.

Butters I don't have concerns about, Bergman I think will be gone.

[Brodlach]

Like to see how the trade period has been since 2019.

I don’t think that would be as good reading

[Lightning McQueen]

Losing Sinn and JHF early, then Lachie Jones before half time had a significant impact on the Power's ability to remain competitive.

Add in Farrell, Lukosius, Marshall, Cochrane on the injured list that hurts.

Not sure how competitive people thought Port would be with their outs already, let along injuries sustained during the game.

Keep Ken, move him on, whatever - you can't get results if you don't have the cattle on the park.

I think move Ken on for his mental well being, love or hate the guy he loves the club, he has a genuine love for his players and can't go anywhere in public without copping a berating.

Write this season off, chuck the kids out there for the remainder of the season to see who's up to scratch and who isn't, there's no point in trying to protect Carr's coaching record, no one gives a toss about win percentages at the end of the day, it's how many premierships you win.

[Booney]

2019 -

Out - Frampton, Howard, Ryder, pick 10
In - Bergman, Georgiades, Williams, Mead, Pasini*, T Burgoyne*

Some pick swaps.

2020 -

Lots of picks swaps

In - Aliir, Fantasia, Jones, Lord, Goldsack, Schofield, McEntee

2021 -

Out - Ladhams,

In - Finlayson, Sinn, Jackson, Visentini, J Burgoyne

Pick swaps

2022 -

Out - First, second, third round picks

In - Horne-Francis, Rioli, McCallum*, Scully*, Marshall*

Pick Swaps

[Dutchy]

Privately Carr must be thinking this is the best result for him, there will need to be some patience which is what he needs. Lets say they finished top 4 this year there would have been huge pressure on him to make the next step, now he will get time, and some better draft picks