dedja wrote:No electoral system is perfect, but compulsory and preferential voting is heavily biased towards a two party system
Preferential voting is the opposite of heavily-biased towards a two-party system. It makes it much likelier that minor parties/independents draw a significant portion of the vote, because their supporters know their vote will flow elsewhere if they're excluded and not be wasted.
FPTP voting often leads to true two-party systems like America. It imposes strategic dilemmas on folks who prefer minor parties. If we didn't have preferential voting in Australia, for instance, many supporters of minor left and minor right parties would instead opt to vote for Labor and the Coalition respectively.
It's hard for me to think of a voting system that assists non-major parties more than preferential voting, unless you consider proportional voting like we use for the senate.
I was very deliberate in stating … compulsory and preferential voting … we have allowed a massive donkey vote by the virtue of how to vote cards.
Make voting voluntary and I’d agree 100% with you.
I'll have to read your post again after lunch haha.
I'm still not sure how compulsory voting heavily favours the major parties (although perhaps you mean it favours more centrist parties, in which case I'd agree), and I don't think there's any evidence that the donkey vote is massive at all. I'm not sure about the HTV cards bit either as the ones handed out by the majors only really ensure formality, and hardly anyone follows the ones handed out by the minors.
MW wrote:So we have a majority in the lower house to Labor, and a Labor/Greens majority in the upper house. So basically if Labor want something to pass though parliment, they still need the Greens to agree so will give into the Greens on what they want to get what they want. As shit as Liberal are, the country could not have got a worse outcome. Buckle down, we are in for a ride...
The Greens claim that they will deliver their policies through the Senate, because they hold the most Cross Bench votes, but it doesn’t always work that way, as when the Government got into bed with the Opposition on a Bill. Labor despise the Greens so will seek support from the Libs before the Greens
MW wrote:So we have a majority in the lower house to Labor, and a Labor/Greens majority in the upper house. So basically if Labor want something to pass though parliment, they still need the Greens to agree so will give into the Greens on what they want to get what they want. As shit as Liberal are, the country could not have got a worse outcome. Buckle down, we are in for a ride...
The Greens claim that they will deliver their policies through the Senate, because they hold the most Cross Bench votes, but it doesn’t always work that way, as when the Government got into bed with the Opposition on a Bill. Labor despise the Greens so will seek support from the Libs before the Greens
Will be interesting to see how the Coalition votes in both houses in the new Parliament. Their policies are so all over the place it’s hard to predict, but agree that Labor don’t necessarily have to beholden to the Greens in the Senate.
At least we don’t have the situation where the government of the day was beholden to a very small number of independents such as Senator Brian Harradine.
MW wrote:So we have a majority in the lower house to Labor, and a Labor/Greens majority in the upper house. So basically if Labor want something to pass though parliment, they still need the Greens to agree so will give into the Greens on what they want to get what they want. As shit as Liberal are, the country could not have got a worse outcome. Buckle down, we are in for a ride...
Considering the Coalition appear to be in opposition for 6 years, if I was the new Coalition leader, I would do a deal with Labor to agree any reasonable reforms and sideline the Greens out of any control at all.
Then crow how I was working for Australia by negating the radical Greens.
Just noting that the leader of the Canadian opposition party, Pierre Poilievre, who lost his seat at their general election, will continue* in parliament as the Conservative Party leader as one of their MPs will vacate their seat for him.
* assuming he wins the by-election and doesn’t get rolled again.
Can’t see any LNP MP affording Peter Dutton the same courtesy.
The conservative side of politics has just copped the biggest hammering it's seen in 80 years and Gina Rinehart thinks they should go further to the right and “Why are Americans getting it, and we aren’t?”
Booney wrote:The conservative side of politics has just copped the biggest hammering it's seen in 80 years and Gina Rinehart thinks they should go further to the right and “Why are Americans getting it, and we aren’t?”
Tell us you're out of touch with reality without saying you're out of touch with reality
Harold "Harry" Fong is described on the party's website as a "highly respected barrister" and the lead Senate candidate for Queensland.
The ABC understands frustrated internet sleuths found Mr Fong's contact details and began hounding him with texts.
Slow burn in the seat of Melbourne count … AEC stating only 8.59% of TCP completed, with Bandt well behind.
Media outlets are reporting higher counts with Bandt even further behind.
Methinks he needs a miracle.
Here you go - dicpics please
ATM with 1.9% of the total 1st preference votes Clive Baby is going to fall well short of the number he needs (4%) to be eligible for AEC funding for election expenses
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
