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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Jim05 » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:20 am

Sounds like Bailey overruled Ronnie and the skip.
Webster to debut tomorrow, Marsh dropped
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:26 am

whufc wrote:Have the makers of Snicko come out and said why the contact wasn't picked up.

Was it because it was a pull shot so potentially furthest distance from wherever the mic is?
Was it because the contact was strong enough, i know it was a slower ball bouncer but still?
Are they holding their ground on there wasn't contact despite the footage?

Surely a third umpire can't use snicko going forward, especially if it's not clear as to why the Jaiswal incident wasn't picked up. That puts doubt in any decision going forward.


Yes they have, it is because there was ambient noise as it glided along the surface not edged it.............well words to that degree.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby whufc » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:26 am

Webster is in for Marsh.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby amber_fluid » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:28 am

Jim05 wrote:Sounds like Bailey overruled Ronnie and the skip.
Webster to debut tomorrow, Marsh dropped


Good call
Marsh has played a role but his time is up

Let’s hope Webster goes well until Green is fit
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:28 am

dedja wrote:Gavaskar says Jaiswal didn’t hit it, was just an optical illusion :lol:

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/cr ... 218f50fe43



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He's been drinking the India is #1 koolaid
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby whufc » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:30 am

amber_fluid wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Sounds like Bailey overruled Ronnie and the skip.
Webster to debut tomorrow, Marsh dropped


Good call
Marsh has played a role but his time is up

Let’s hope Webster goes well until Green is fit


Where does Webster bat.

Does he go straight into 6 or do you push Carey up to 6, Webster at 7.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Jim05 » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:37 am

amber_fluid wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Sounds like Bailey overruled Ronnie and the skip.
Webster to debut tomorrow, Marsh dropped


Good call
Marsh has played a role but his time is up

Let’s hope Webster goes well until Green is fit
For me that tells me that they are worried about Starc’s injury and yet are still going to play him. If/when he breaks down Webster will be used to bowl.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Jim05 » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:39 am

whufc wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Sounds like Bailey overruled Ronnie and the skip.
Webster to debut tomorrow, Marsh dropped


Good call
Marsh has played a role but his time is up

Let’s hope Webster goes well until Green is fit


Where does Webster bat.

Does he go straight into 6 or do you push Carey up to 6, Webster at 7.
Webster is the first bloke since Sobers in the SS to score 900 runs and take 30 wickets in a season. No mug with the bat and would just slot into Marsh’s spot at 6
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:43 am

Jim05 wrote:Sounds like Bailey overruled Ronnie and the skip.
Webster to debut tomorrow, Marsh dropped

Just makes Ronnie look even stupider, why doesn't he just use the "we'll assess the situation and select the team when required" line.

Declaring someone a certainty and then dropping them just makes them look even more amateur.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:47 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:
dedja wrote:Gavaskar says Jaiswal didn’t hit it, was just an optical illusion :lol:

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/cr ... 218f50fe43



Gavaskar has lost the plot lately.
He's been drinking the India is #1 koolaid


I hate it when sportsmen that I admired greatly join commentary teams and end up being knobs.

Haydos, Langer and David King are 3 others that come to mind immediately.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Brodlach » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:49 am

whufc wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Sounds like Bailey overruled Ronnie and the skip.
Webster to debut tomorrow, Marsh dropped


Good call
Marsh has played a role but his time is up

Let’s hope Webster goes well until Green is fit


Where does Webster bat.

Does he go straight into 6 or do you push Carey up to 6, Webster at 7.

Definitely 6.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby The Dark Knight » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:49 am

Jim05 wrote:
whufc wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Sounds like Bailey overruled Ronnie and the skip.
Webster to debut tomorrow, Marsh dropped


Good call
Marsh has played a role but his time is up

Let’s hope Webster goes well until Green is fit


Where does Webster bat.

Does he go straight into 6 or do you push Carey up to 6, Webster at 7.
Webster is the first bloke since Sobers in the SS to score 900 runs and take 30 wickets in a season. No mug with the bat and would just slot into Marsh’s spot at 6
He been named at 6 @whufc
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/4192934
(It's where he has been batting for Tasmania)
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby dedja » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:51 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:
dedja wrote:Gavaskar says Jaiswal didn’t hit it, was just an optical illusion :lol:

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/cr ... 218f50fe43



Gavaskar has lost the plot lately.
He's been drinking the India is #1 koolaid


No surprise really, Gavaskar has been a knobus incredibilus for a long time.
Dunno, I’m just an idiot.

I’m only the administrator of the estate of dedja
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby am Bays » Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:58 am

whufc wrote:Have the makers of Snicko come out and said why the contact wasn't picked up.

Was it because it was a pull shot so potentially furthest distance from wherever the mic is?
Was it because the contact was strong enough, i know it was a slower ball bouncer but still?
Are they holding their ground on there wasn't contact despite the footage?

Surely a third umpire can't use snicko going forward, especially if it's not clear as to why the Jaiswal incident wasn't picked up. That puts doubt in any decision going forward.


As Simon Taufel said, if there is no clear deflection visible to the 3rd umpire Snicko is next used in the hierarchy of decision making. The fact you can also the index finger of the f glove move as the ball went past the glove is further proof of contact.

Snicko was only called for as a means to justify what he saw (after he made the call "I can see a deflection"). when snicko was inconclusive (ne clear spike but there were mermers)

All technology has error (as you know reason for the 50% of ball making contact to overturn an LBW not out) so it will be used with confidence to support the decision making process going forward.
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby whufc » Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:01 am

am Bays wrote:
whufc wrote:Have the makers of Snicko come out and said why the contact wasn't picked up.

Was it because it was a pull shot so potentially furthest distance from wherever the mic is?
Was it because the contact was strong enough, i know it was a slower ball bouncer but still?
Are they holding their ground on there wasn't contact despite the footage?

Surely a third umpire can't use snicko going forward, especially if it's not clear as to why the Jaiswal incident wasn't picked up. That puts doubt in any decision going forward.


As Simon Taufel said, if there is no clear deflection visible to the 3rd umpire Snicko is next used in the hierarchy of decision making. The fact you can also the index finger of the f glove move as the ball went past the glove is further proof of contact.

Snicko was only called for as a means to justify what he saw (after he made the call "I can see a deflection"). when snicko was inconclusive (ne clear spike but there were mermers)

All technology has error (as you know reason for the 50% of ball making contact to overturn an LBW not out) so it will be used with confidence to support the decision making process going forward.


I guess the point i was making was if we didn't know what the issue was what confidence they would have in the circumstance that a not out was given, goes to third umpire, no clear deflection of an edge but snicko shows an edge. Ordinarily that would be given out every time, however if the makers of snicko couldn't give a reason for the non-detection of an edge how sure could we be in the technology that is accurately reading edges at all.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Armchair expert » Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:04 am

Pant dropped too apparently
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:08 am

whufc wrote:
I guess the point i was making was if we didn't know what the issue was what confidence they would have in the circumstance that a not out was given, goes to third umpire, no clear deflection of an edge but snicko shows an edge. Ordinarily that would be given out every time, however if the makers of snicko couldn't give a reason for the non-detection of an edge how sure could we be in the technology that is accurately reading edges at all.

The mistake was made by showing everyone the snicko reading once the 3rd umpire had determined that contact had been made, if no one seen that then there would never have been such an outcry.

Once a verdict of beyond doubt has been reached there is no point doing any further investigations.

Would we have been hanging shit on the system if the shoe was on the other foot? Probably.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby am Bays » Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:10 am

Armchair expert wrote:Pant dropped too apparently


Due to his shot decision making or the animate conversation with Sharma at the end of day 4....
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby amber_fluid » Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:11 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
whufc wrote:
I guess the point i was making was if we didn't know what the issue was what confidence they would have in the circumstance that a not out was given, goes to third umpire, no clear deflection of an edge but snicko shows an edge. Ordinarily that would be given out every time, however if the makers of snicko couldn't give a reason for the non-detection of an edge how sure could we be in the technology that is accurately reading edges at all.

The mistake was made by showing everyone the snicko reading once the 3rd umpire had determined that contact had been made, if no one seen that then there would never have been such an outcry.

Once a verdict of beyond doubt has been reached there is no point doing any further investigations.

Would we have been hanging shit on the system if the shoe was on the other foot? Probably.


Use technology 100% or don’t
Can’t just use it ‘some times’ when it suits
Snicko showed nothing so it’s not out for me
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Re: Australian International Summer 2024/25

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:12 am

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