Who will Port delist before the draft?

[Hondo]

I can assure you that was a typo.

OK play on

Phewwwww!

[Blue Boy]

On the flip side to delistings I heard straight from his dad yesterday that Ryan Darling from Sturt has been invited out to Alberton to be part of the summer training group re draft/rookie list.

Anyone heard of any other young blokes who have been invited to try out?

Was struggling to make Sturt's League side at the end of the season, i find that a little strange.

Played every game bar the final - may have been injured at the end !!!

[Blue Boy]

the 'Cows' - the derogatory term Crow- haters use

Never have heard of that before Hondo ???

I thought the term the " Cows " came from the add that Roo did some years ago ???

[NFC]

NFC

They re-drafted Proplyzia, however does this means they stuffed up, well NO

When the club delisted Proplyzia, the club set him some goals and targets and gave him a committment that if he reached these goals they would draft him, the club stuck by their promise, both player and the club won out....

Obst, how do we know that the AFC have not done the same, who knows?, the club may of delisted Obst with some clear messages, if Obst has taken this on board and work hard and put himself in a position for another opportunity than this is good for kid, if the Crows believe he deserves another opportunity, than I hope the draft the kid.... does this mean the club stuffed up, not in my eyes, what it does mean, the club gave the kid a clear message, most importantly, the kid has responded, I hope Obst is rewarded for his work with another opprtunity

the glass is not always half empty

Big difference between Porps and Obst. Porps was a rookie selection and he was let go after a season. Obst was taken in the 40's and up until a few weeks ago he was being paid by the Crows despite not being on our list. Now as far as I'm concerned you don't delist someone and be forced to pay them out unless they have absolutely NO talent. Obst does; he's quick, aggressive, got good hands and a good leap, he does have poor reaction time and an awkward kicking style but IMO there's enough to suggest he could be a good play down the track. To delist him after a mere 12 months on the list and having to pay him out is just wrong, especially when you recruit Nick Gill who is just as bad a kick and when Obst is 5 years younger.

[Macca19]

back on topic. The only two that may end up delisted would be Willits and Lonie. I wouldnt be surprised if we didnt make any changes though.

[Hondo]

back on topic. The only two that may end up delisted would be Willits and Lonie. I wouldnt be surprised if we didnt make any changes though.

What's your thoughts on these juniors that have been on the books for a season or 2 without playing many senior games:

Jonathan Giles
Fabian Deluca
Matt Thomas
Hugh Minson
Alipate Carlile

Seems to be maybe 1 young ruck prospect too many?

Serious question, not stirring ...

[GWW]

My opinion on those Hondo:

Giles and Minson both project ruckmen, have been disappointing but the club more than likely saw them as unlikely to make their debuts for 3 or 4 years anyway. Need to do something soon though.

Deluca quite disappointing, wins his fair share of ruck duels but not always to the team's advantage. A little bit more advanced than the other 2 ruckmen, but needs to step up considerably given Lade and Brogan likely to be both gone within 4 years.

Thomas quite impressive in his first year, hampered last year by his stomach op, would definitely be in the clubs long term plans IMO.

Carlile has a lot to learn, but has shown some positive signs in his few AFL games. I think he'll be our next long term full back and will be a quality player, although needs to take his chances in next 2 years.

[the joker]

port need a ruckman!!! ladey is the wrong side of 30 and only has 2 years left. and brogan is injury prone. so imo port will have an average ruck department in 2009 to 2010.Minson
Giles and Deluca are all crap

[NFC]

Minson Giles and Deluca are all crap

Agreed.

[Macca19]

back on topic. The only two that may end up delisted would be Willits and Lonie. I wouldnt be surprised if we didnt make any changes though.

What's your thoughts on these juniors that have been on the books for a season or 2 without playing many senior games:

Jonathan Giles
Fabian Deluca
Matt Thomas
Hugh Minson
Alipate Carlile

Seems to be maybe 1 young ruck prospect too many?

Serious question, not stirring ...

Giles - Improved a lot this year. Is only 19 and went from playing reserves at a fairly average standard in 06 to playing 12 Senior games at a decent level and most importantly putting on some more muscle. He was very bottom age when we picked him up - too young for the rookie draft - so we took a punt on him as he won Centrals U17s in 05. Im happy with his development so far

Deluca - Has improved around 25% each year he has been at the club. This year he improved his hitout average at SANFL level from 11 to 14. 14 is up to a decent standard now considering he plays with another ruckmen who has equal or more time than him. Played 3 AFL games. Needs another year. Im looking at Mark Blake as an example here. He needs to improve in some areas but from 06 to 07 he improved quite a lot. Again, he is only 20 and was very raw when he came to the club.

Thomas - Had a terrible year injury wise this year. Nearly died in the pre season, lost 15 kilos in 2 weeks. Worked so hard to get fit by Round 1 and he did. Played 4 games at AFL level then did his knee and missed 10 weeks. I like him. Most other Port supporters like him and the coaching staff like him. Hes gotta work on his decision making at AFL level but he could play all 22 games next year.

Minson - Is 2 months younger than Giles and came to the club looking like a praying mantis that hadnt eaten in a year. This year broke through to play 4 SANFL games whilst he kicked 23 goals at reserves level resting up forward. Has more agility and skills than Giles, just doesnt have the body. Again, he seriously needs at least one more year to see how he develops. Im unsure if he will make it, but raw ruckmen deserve time and patience.

Carlile - I like him. Played very well at SANFL level for two years and played 10 games this year including a decent effort in a cutthroat final. Should be given every chance to play 22 games next year with the departure of Wakes. Has the body, good skills and good spoiling ability. Can sometimes lose his position at AFL level but again is young and you dont see too many (if any) 20 year old 2nd year full backs dominate.


Out of that list, Carlile and Thomas are the two that I think could make long term AFL footballers.

The three rucks, you gotta give them time. They deserve a bit of time to learn the caper and develop their bodies. The only rucks to really come in at AFL level fairly quickly are all high draft picks who mostly have developed bodies. He has been a touch dissapointing, but you look at the other rucks from his draft year and they havent come on in leaps and bounds either.

All three came to the club with under developed bodies and were always going to be long term projects. Deluca came to the club as a 4th in line ruck behind Primus, Lade and Brogan. Giles and Minson came the year after.

If Deluca can continue to improve at the rate he has then he could be a decent mid range ruck type. Giles has improved out of sight from when I first saw him last year. Minson has improved his output and with Meeson gone he could get more gametime at senior SANFL level next year.

You only have to look at how Griffin went for the Crows this year. Last year, plenty of Crows supporters were saying he should be delisted. Now they think hes gonna be a superstar ruck or even a superstar forward (on what basis I dont know). He is also two full years older than both Giles and Minson.

Im happy to give both Giles and Minson two more seasons. By then we should know if they will make it. If Deluca cant improve on this season then it might be time to look for a trade.

It wouldnt surprise if Port pick up one of the 200cm ruckmen in the draft this year. Theres about 8 of them that are meant to be pretty decent.

[NFC]

Minson's a decent athlete and that will get him another year but his ruckwork, IMO of course, is very poor. He struggles to win a tap and when he does he can't control where it goes.

[Port Adelaide Proud]

back on topic. The only two that may end up delisted would be Willits and Lonie. I wouldnt be surprised if we didnt make any changes though.

What's your thoughts on these juniors that have been on the books for a season or 2 without playing many senior games:

Jonathan Giles
Fabian Deluca
Matt Thomas
Hugh Minson
Alipate Carlile

Seems to be maybe 1 young ruck prospect too many?

Serious question, not stirring ...

Jonathan Giles - Got alotta work to do.
Fabian Deluca- Our 3rd ruck option, he's still got a fair bit of improvement to do
Matt Thomas- Michael Wilson's replacement. The way he plays, he's the next Wilbur
Hugh Minson- See Jonathon Giles
Alipate Carlile- Darryl Wakelin's replacement. Bulk up a bit more, more experience, and he'll be a great FB.

[Rik E Boy]

port need a ruckman!!! ladey is the wrong side of 30 and only has 2 years left. and brogan is injury prone. so imo port will have an average ruck department in 2009 to 2010.Minson
Giles and Deluca are all crap

Interesting call when all we heard all season was that they were the best ruck combo in the league. Brogan is definately suss in my view and the way Choco used his ruckmen was at times puzzling.

As for Giles and Deluca, pretty much all young ruckmen are crap. You need to get a couple of years of development into them before they even get to the Mark Blake level, let alone the Brendon Lade level. Ruckmen aren't built in day.

Port don't actually need to change all that much...I reckon they just need to hit the gym hard over summer because the hardness most associate with Port isn't there with this younger group. Wilson might possibly have been the player they would have wanted to lose for that Grand Final (OK, maybe after Chad or Lade).

regards,

REB

[JK]

Thomas - Had a terrible year injury wise this year. Nearly died in the pre season, lost 15 kilos in 2 weeks. Worked so hard to get fit by Round 1 and he did. Played 4 games at AFL level then did his knee and missed 10 weeks. I like him. Most other Port supporters like him and the coaching staff like him. Hes gotta work on his decision making at AFL level but he could play all 22 games next year.

Well put Macca - No question Port have got themselves a player here ... Has ability, workrate, confidence and offield professionalism, all the ingredients of a great leader and I'd expect him to become a staple member of the Power lineup in the next year or two.

[GWW]

Theres no doubt at all that ruck is an area where Port's list has a deficiency in depth. Wouldn't actually surprise me if the club went for a mature aged ruckman late in the draft or the PSD, maybe even Meicklejohn, who had a good year with the Port Magpies this year.

[NFC]

Theres no doubt at all that ruck is an area where Port's list has a deficiency in depth. Wouldn't actually surprise me if the club went for a mature aged ruckman late in the draft or the PSD, maybe even Meicklejohn, who had a good year with the Port Magpies this year.

0% chance.

[rogernumber10]

Power are only going the bare minimum with their changes, in terms of the guys you already know who have been delisted, retired or traded -- ie symes, wakelin, mahoney etc

[MatteeG]

all the ingredients of a great leader and I'd expect him to become a staple member of the Power lineup in the next year or two.

As opposed to a stapled member?

[GWW]

Power are only going the bare minimum with their changes, in terms of the guys you already know who have been delisted, retired or traded -- ie symes, wakelin, mahoney etc

Thats not definite, a final decision hasn't been made yet as far as i know.

[rogernumber10]

Their final list is in.