am Bays wrote:AFL are considering a two conference VFL - Victoria split down the middle of an Eastern and Western conference to try and make this work.
Port playing away in Brisbane could see their Ressies playing in Perth
I’m sure all the Victorian AFL clubs are also happy at playing in two different states as well at various times in the season.
I’m sure all the Victorian based clubs are on board for this shag show - they could say nah F*** this sh!t! This ain’t gonna fly.
Time will be the judge
The AFL would love the opportunity to trial a conference system.
Would have to be a tad on their agenda for the AFL.
-Enable the fixture to have more blockbusters. Increasing crowd attendances and tv viewers -Decrease the travel cost for clubs, which would increase financial sustainability. -Would allow for a finals system that would almost guarantee more Victorian clubs to play finals and more finals played in Victoria.
Booney wrote:The VFL is seen as superior to the SANFL.
By who?
For development. We've covered this, haven't we?
Recently I heard a former Port AFL captain say that Port and the Crows made a mistake in 2014. He thought that he learnt a lot more playing for an SANFL side than the current players do playing in Port and Crows Reserves teams. He maintained the sprinkling of ex AFL players and potantial draftees playing as a team taught him more and was a better grounding that what happens now with 15 or 16 blokes all trying to impress to make the AFL team and the other 6 top ups not up to SANFL standard.
Booney wrote:The VFL is seen as superior to the SANFL.
By who?
For development. We've covered this, haven't we?
Recently I heard a former Port AFL captain say that Port and the Crows made a mistake in 2014. He thought that he learnt a lot more playing for an SANFL side than the current players do playing in Port and Crows Reserves teams. He maintained the sprinkling of ex AFL players and potantial draftees playing as a team taught him more and was a better grounding that what happens now with 15 or 16 blokes all trying to impress to make the AFL team and the other 6 top ups not up to SANFL standard.
I think its pretty obvious, thats what's happened, though they won't admit it. They gave away the advantage they had over the Victorian based teams, because Collingwood won their first Flag in 30 years and Sanderson put it down as due to them having a reserves team. A red herring for his own coaching results at Adelaide. Of course Port were happy to go along to get rid of the then underperforming Magpies and get the gaming license. A marketing tosser at the Crows at the time argued, it would help with player retention. What transpired was a pretty big exodus.
wenchbarwer wrote:It's a level playing field if they're all in the one comp. Everyone will have kids and top-ups.
The comp will look nothing like a level playing field
It will be as level as the AFL.
Their gone. This is what we want. Off you go and we can return to an 8 team comp, 21 rounds, piss off the byes, play either the WAFL or the what will be the new VFA each alternate year, perhaps have 4 games all on Saturday at 2-10 and stop pandering to what everyone else wants.
Booney wrote:The VFL is seen as superior to the SANFL.
By who?
For development. We've covered this, haven't we?
Recently I heard a former Port AFL captain say that Port and the Crows made a mistake in 2014. He thought that he learnt a lot more playing for an SANFL side than the current players do playing in Port and Crows Reserves teams. He maintained the sprinkling of ex AFL players and potantial draftees playing as a team taught him more and was a better grounding that what happens now with 15 or 16 blokes all trying to impress to make the AFL team and the other 6 top ups not up to SANFL standard.
Booney wrote:The VFL is seen as superior to the SANFL.
For development. We've covered this, haven't we?
Recently I heard a former Port AFL captain say that Port and the Crows made a mistake in 2014. He thought that he learnt a lot more playing for an SANFL side than the current players do playing in Port and Crows Reserves teams. He maintained the sprinkling of ex AFL players and potantial draftees playing as a team taught him more and was a better grounding that what happens now with 15 or 16 blokes all trying to impress to make the AFL team and the other 6 top ups not up to SANFL standard.
1 anecdote covers it then.
[/quote] Pretty sure Malcolm Blight and a report done by the AFL as to why the interstate teams (not Vic based) were dominating the finals at the time came to the same conclusion.
I recall that back in 2013 or 2014, the Crows and Port made the point that their reserves playing against men in the SANFL was better preparation for AFL matches than playing in a hypothetical national reserves comp where most opponents would be younger and less physically robust.
I'm not sure what's changed, but I'm happy for the cancers to be gone whatever the justification.
Port have a top heavy list strategy, which isn't helping their reserves side and hasn't helped their AFL side either. A few of their players playing in the AFL would be strugglers at SANFL level, while their top 5 would be as good, if not better, than any in the AFL.
But, it's the SANFL's fault.
**** them off asap. Send them off with a wooden spoon (c'mon South).
We saw in the 2000's how many players came to the SANFL when the VFL was the only competition that was essentially AFL Reserves.
Even if that doesn't happen again - who cares. The integrity of a competition far outweighs what we've seen in the last 10 years.
Aerie wrote:Port have a top heavy list strategy, which isn't helping their reserves side and hasn't helped their AFL side either. A few of their players playing in the AFL would be strugglers at SANFL level, while their top 5 would be as good, if not better, than any in the AFL.
But, it's the SANFL's fault.
**** them off asap. Send them off with a wooden spoon (c'mon South).
We saw in the 2000's how many players came to the SANFL when the VFL was the only competition that was essentially AFL Reserves.
Even if that doesn't happen again - who cares. The integrity of a competition far outweighs what we've seen in the last 10 years.
Dogs64 wrote:Pretty sure Malcolm Blight and a report done by the AFL as to why the interstate teams (not Vic based) were dominating the finals at the time came to the same conclusion.
Since 2010 Fremantle, 1, Adelaide, 1, West Coast 2 have made Grand Finals playing outside of the NEAFL/VFL competitions.
Doesn't match your evidence of 2 replies, but it's a start!
As noted in my post above the numbers are there, the clubs developing players in the NEAFL/VFL have achieved vastly different results in their senior sides in the last 15 years.
10 years of wanting Port and Adelaide out of the competition and now it's coming to be a reality you're all debating if it's the right move for them or not. Brilliant work lads.
Not wanting them in the SANFL and a move for them to a different league are not mutually exclusive.
I don’t recall a poster arguing they want them in.
FWIW, I blame neither Port or Adelaide for wanting to play in it.
I do blame Norwood, Sturt, West, North, Glenelg and WWT for selling out the league. I also blame a plethora of SANFL officials for allowing it but the main blame belongs with the completely useless SA Football Commission.
10 years of wanting Port and Adelaide out of the competition and now it's coming to be a reality you're all debating if it's the right move for them or not. Brilliant work lads.
More than happy for them to move out, I think it will only make the SANFL stronger, but its a more than reasonable debate for any footy fan here in SA. especially considering the lies they have rolled out throughout the last 13 years.
