St Kilda

[Lightning McQueen]

Maybe Carlton weren't such the villian as we all made them out to be when they gave Ratten the arse, maybe he just isn't a great coach?

Their list is quite healthy and they under-achieved again this seaosn, their best and worst football is poles apart.

[helicopterking]

Maybe Carlton weren't such the villian as we all made them out to be when they gave Ratten the arse, maybe he just isn't a great coach?

Their list is quite healthy and they under-achieved again this seaosn, their best and worst football is poles apart.

Their list is full of guys from other clubs.
Steele, Membrey, Higgins, Crouch, Hill, Butler, Lienert,Wood, Howard,Jones and add Ryder and Hannerbery.

[PatowalongaPirate]

Maybe Carlton weren't such the villian as we all made them out to be when they gave Ratten the arse, maybe he just isn't a great coach?

Their list is quite healthy and they under-achieved again this seaosn, their best and worst football is poles apart.

Their list is full of guys from other clubs.
Steele, Membrey, Higgins, Crouch, Hill, Butler, Lienert,Wood, Howard,Jones and add Ryder and Hannerbery.

Look at the Premiers :

Stanley, Tuohy, Higgins, Cameron, Smith, Ceglar, Stengle, Rohan, Dangerfield, Dalhaus.

[saintal]

Wasn't a fan of his two year extension mid year, felt as though it could have waited til year end. Not too upset that change has been made, but once again the way things have been handled leaves a lot to be desired.

[helicopterking]

Maybe Carlton weren't such the villian as we all made them out to be when they gave Ratten the arse, maybe he just isn't a great coach?

Their list is quite healthy and they under-achieved again this seaosn, their best and worst football is poles apart.

Their list is full of guys from other clubs.
Steele, Membrey, Higgins, Crouch, Hill, Butler, Lienert,Wood, Howard,Jones and add Ryder and Hannerbery.

Look at the Premiers :

Stanley, Tuohy, Higgins, Cameron, Smith, Ceglar, Stengle, Rohan, Dangerfield, Dalhaus.

Difference is Smith, Dangerfield, Cameron all A Grade +.
Stengle and Tuohy are better than all those St Kilda blokes except Steele.

[Lightning McQueen]

Maybe Carlton weren't such the villian as we all made them out to be when they gave Ratten the arse, maybe he just isn't a great coach?

Their list is quite healthy and they under-achieved again this seaosn, their best and worst football is poles apart.

Their list is full of guys from other clubs.
Steele, Membrey, Higgins, Crouch, Hill, Butler, Lienert,Wood, Howard,Jones and add Ryder and Hannerbery.

Irrespective, they have a top 8 list IMO. They have a forward line as potent as anyone's with a lot of variation, it just doesn't fire all together often enough.

[PatowalongaPirate]

Maybe Carlton weren't such the villian as we all made them out to be when they gave Ratten the arse, maybe he just isn't a great coach?

Their list is quite healthy and they under-achieved again this seaosn, their best and worst football is poles apart.

Their list is full of guys from other clubs.
Steele, Membrey, Higgins, Crouch, Hill, Butler, Lienert,Wood, Howard,Jones and add Ryder and Hannerbery.

Irrespective, they have a top 8 list IMO. They have a forward line as potent as anyone's with a lot of variation, it just doesn't fire all together often enough.

King probably cost them 2-3 wins with his poor kicking this year.

They were the last team to beat Geelong, too.

[Brodlach]

Maybe Carlton weren't such the villian as we all made them out to be when they gave Ratten the arse, maybe he just isn't a great coach?

Their list is quite healthy and they under-achieved again this seaosn, their best and worst football is poles apart.

Easy to blame Ratten but he’s been there for 2 years, how about the previous 50 odd which has been the same

[Lightning McQueen]

Maybe Carlton weren't such the villian as we all made them out to be when they gave Ratten the arse, maybe he just isn't a great coach?

Their list is quite healthy and they under-achieved again this seaosn, their best and worst football is poles apart.

Easy to blame Ratten but he’s been there for 2 years, how about the previous 50 odd which has been the same

I'm not blaming him, I'm just trying to join the dots together.

The Saints were everyone's 2nd favourite team for quite some time, Ratten comes across as a likeable bloke and the victim from the Carlton changing of the guard.

Maybe there's something we don't see?

[MW]

Maybe Carlton weren't such the villian as we all made them out to be when they gave Ratten the arse, maybe he just isn't a great coach?

Their list is quite healthy and they under-achieved again this seaosn, their best and worst football is poles apart.

Easy to blame Ratten but he’s been there for 2 years, how about the previous 50 odd which has been the same

I'm not blaming him, I'm just trying to join the dots together.

The Saints were everyone's 2nd favourite team for quite some time, Ratten comes across as a likeable bloke and the victim from the Carlton changing of the guard.

Maybe there's something we don't see?

I would agree with that if they didnt extend him 3 months ago after two years in the job

[RB]

Interesting as a recipient club St Kilda can tear up a contract that has 2 years to run on it.

I hope you're not getting ideas Booney.

[whufc]

If we are going with a Hold My Beer Embarrassing Club ladder surely it looks something like this......

1. Essendon
2. St Kilda
3. Adelaide
4. Hawthorn (current situation which will reveal more in coming years)
5. North Melbourne
6. GC (couldn't manage a piss up at a brewery)
7. Carlton (on field performances & continuous rebuild, expect them to move down the ladder in the next few years)
8. Collingwood (a few misdemeanors and paying other clubs for their players.....on field solid though)

9. West Coast (very unlucky to not be in the top 8...on field rabble, historic issues)
10. Port Adelaide (119 pts and the identity crisis still linger)
11. GWS (crowds of 10k, and continuously lose any decent player they get)
12. Western Bulldogs (trade period was interesting.......potential to move up the ladder in the next few years)
13. Fremantle (they still wear purple and haven't won a premiership).
14. Melbourne (were perennial top 4 club but have done ok in recent years.
15. Richmond (need to get back to the ninthmond days to move up the ladder)
16. Brisbane (can't be embarrassed about something nobody cares about)
17. Sydney
18. Geelong

[Armchair expert]

Saints getting the jump on North and Brisbane in the search for a new coach?

[cracka]

If we are going with a Hold My Beer Embarrassing Club ladder surely it looks something like this......

1. Essendon
2. St Kilda
3. Adelaide
4. Hawthorn (current situation which will reveal more in coming years)
5. North Melbourne
6. GC (couldn't manage a piss up at a brewery)
7. Carlton (on field performances & continuous rebuild, expect them to move down the ladder in the next few years)
8. Collingwood (a few misdemeanors and paying other clubs for their players.....on field solid though)

9. West Coast (very unlucky to not be in the top 8...on field rabble, historic issues)
10. Port Adelaide (119 pts and the identity crisis still linger)
11. GWS (crowds of 10k, and continuously lose any decent player they get)
12. Western Bulldogs (trade period was interesting.......potential to move up the ladder in the next few years)
13. Fremantle (they still wear purple and haven't won a premiership).
14. Melbourne (were perennial top 4 club but have done ok in recent years.
15. Richmond (need to get back to the ninthmond days to move up the ladder)
16. Brisbane (can't be embarrassed about something nobody cares about)
17. Sydney
18. Geelong

Oh no you di'int

[Booney]

St Kilda is the club average footballers go to get over paid.

[MW]

St Kilda is the club average footballers go to get over paid.

Gold Coast say hi

[Jim05]

Bang average list full of flaky, old mercenaries. Terrible youth prospects and overall a bottom 6 list IMO

[Booney]

Look at all their over paid list cloggers, Hannebery, Crouch, Higgins, Wood, Lienert, Campbell, Kent, Jones, none of them have gone to the club and improved. None.

[amber_fluid]

No coach is going to change that list or culture overnight.
No one!

[gadj1976]

Look at all their over paid list cloggers, Hannebery, Crouch, Higgins, Wood, Lienert, Campbell, Kent, Jones, none of them have gone to the club and improved. None.

I thought the same when they took Wood on. Kent.... didn't know he was still on a list till he retired during the year. List clogger extraordinaire.

Hannebery was a massive gamble that backfired and Crouch... well there is a reason the Crows gave him the flick.