by whufc » Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:34 am
by Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:26 am
by whufc » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:31 am
Booney wrote:The coaching won us 17 games and a final in 2021. The coaching won us 14 of 17 games, a final and got us within a goal of the Grand Final in 2020.
The blame for Saturday night must lay at the feet of the players. As Hinkley said on Friday the preparation couldn't have been better, every thing was in place and it was now over to the players to execute and they didn't. Once the ball bounced on Saturday night the coaching staff couldn't have done any more, it was down to the playing group and in that first 15 minutes they simply didn't show up. Credit to the Dogs though, they certainly did.
That's why that trust is damaged.
by Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:35 am
by Corona Man » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:37 am
Booney wrote:The coaching won us 17 games and a final in 2021. The coaching won us 14 of 17 games, a final and got us within a goal of the Grand Final in 2020.
The blame for Saturday night must lay at the feet of the players. As Hinkley said on Friday the preparation couldn't have been better, every thing was in place and it was now over to the players to execute and they didn't. Once the ball bounced on Saturday night the coaching staff couldn't have done any more, it was down to the playing group and in that first 15 minutes they simply didn't show up. Credit to the Dogs though, they certainly did.
That's why that trust is damaged.
by Jim05 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:41 am
Ship off one of Lycett or Ladhams and play Hayes would be a startCorona Man wrote:Booney wrote:The coaching won us 17 games and a final in 2021. The coaching won us 14 of 17 games, a final and got us within a goal of the Grand Final in 2020.
The blame for Saturday night must lay at the feet of the players. As Hinkley said on Friday the preparation couldn't have been better, every thing was in place and it was now over to the players to execute and they didn't. Once the ball bounced on Saturday night the coaching staff couldn't have done any more, it was down to the playing group and in that first 15 minutes they simply didn't show up. Credit to the Dogs though, they certainly did.
That's why that trust is damaged.
Fair enough. I guess the big question is…. What has to change to get the job done, to lift the cup?
Do you go with the same players and coach, and hope?
Or do you need to trade in/out to get it done?
by Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:48 am
by MW » Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:57 am
by Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:00 am
MW wrote:The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.
Can't only be the players.
by mighty_tiger_79 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:02 am
by MW » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:02 am
Booney wrote:MW wrote:The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.
Can't only be the players.
It's not all the players, for sure, but the plan worked 14 of 19 times last year and 18 of 23 times this year, the body of work tells you the plan works, it's down to how well its executed.
Hinkley didn't get out marked by Naughton. Hinkley didn't miss tackles. Hinkley didn't allow the midfield to run away into space.
by Corona Man » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:04 am
Booney wrote:MW wrote:The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.
Can't only be the players.
It's not all the players, for sure, but the plan worked 14 of 19 times last year and 18 of 23 times this year, the body of work tells you the plan works, it's down to how well its executed.
Hinkley didn't get out marked by Naughton. Hinkley didn't miss tackles. Hinkley didn't allow the midfield to run away into space.
by Jim05 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:11 am
Drew towelled up Libba 3 weeks ago. Ken starts him on the bench and Libba has 5 touches in the opening 2 minutes and was crucial in a couple of goals. Whilst I agree the players should bear the brunt of the blame, Ken didn’t have his finest nightBooney wrote:MW wrote:The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.
Can't only be the players.
It's not all the players, for sure, but the plan worked 14 of 19 times last year and 18 of 23 times this year, the body of work tells you the plan works, it's down to how well its executed.
Hinkley didn't get out marked by Naughton. Hinkley didn't miss tackles. Hinkley didn't allow the midfield to run away into space.
by Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:14 am
Jim05 wrote:Drew towelled up Libba 3 weeks ago. Ken starts him on the bench and Libba has 5 touches in the opening 2 minutes and was crucial in a couple of goals. Whilst I agree the players should bear the brunt of the blame, Ken didn’t have his finest nightBooney wrote:MW wrote:The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.
Can't only be the players.
It's not all the players, for sure, but the plan worked 14 of 19 times last year and 18 of 23 times this year, the body of work tells you the plan works, it's down to how well its executed.
Hinkley didn't get out marked by Naughton. Hinkley didn't miss tackles. Hinkley didn't allow the midfield to run away into space.
by Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:16 am
MW wrote:Booney wrote:MW wrote:The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.
Can't only be the players.
It's not all the players, for sure, but the plan worked 14 of 19 times last year and 18 of 23 times this year, the body of work tells you the plan works, it's down to how well its executed.
Hinkley didn't get out marked by Naughton. Hinkley didn't miss tackles. Hinkley didn't allow the midfield to run away into space.
HInkley is responsible for the players mindset though. They legit looked scared to play in the first quarter.
by MW » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:19 am
by Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:22 am
by mighty_tiger_79 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:23 am
Booney wrote:Jim05 wrote:Drew towelled up Libba 3 weeks ago. Ken starts him on the bench and Libba has 5 touches in the opening 2 minutes and was crucial in a couple of goals. Whilst I agree the players should bear the brunt of the blame, Ken didn’t have his finest nightBooney wrote:MW wrote:The question remains...why did all but a couple of players not turn up? Surely there was something in the build up if not before the game but the 2 weeks leading into it.
Can't only be the players.
It's not all the players, for sure, but the plan worked 14 of 19 times last year and 18 of 23 times this year, the body of work tells you the plan works, it's down to how well its executed.
Hinkley didn't get out marked by Naughton. Hinkley didn't miss tackles. Hinkley didn't allow the midfield to run away into space.
So you sack him for a bad night and ignore the 2 years prior?
by Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:24 am
MW wrote:The question is, did they get that support you mentioned in the correct manner for the prelim?
I still think the players all thought they were in the GF already.
by Booney » Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:25 am
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:You acknowledge the past few years, but is it becoming a pattern??
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