2021 AFL season - Round 1, tips & banter

[Booney]

Chose to bump, bloke gets injured accidental or not = games. 3 for mine.

[MW]

Dangerfield had the exact same incident in the gf last year.
Raised a forearm to protect himself, knocked the opponent out and didn't get reported.
Kelly in my opinion should have done the same thing.
Not raise the forearm but turn his body slightly and it would've been shoulder on shoulder.
I get he was trying to draw Dangerfield in close, as you do, but he didn't protect himself after disposing of the footy.
Again, maybe he thought Dangerfield wouldn't go through with the bump?

After 45+ years of playing, coaching and watching I think I'm qualified to comment.

It's a tough one, it was a typical hit for the 1980's, player draws the opponent and offloads the ball while the the opponent is committed to the body hit, Dangerfield couldn't tackle as the ball would've been released, the hit wasn't high, it was the head contact that caused the injury.

I think Patty is going to escape games on this, he didn't leave the ground and it was bicep to bicep, he had no other option.

Kelly was a bit too late in disposing of the ball to brace for the contact and he probably underestimated the impact that Patty was going to inflict.

It's not a good look for the game but it's been happening for years, it was an accident, exactly that unfortunately.

[Chrisso]

Chose to bump, bloke gets injured accidental or not = games. 3 for mine.

Is nobody questioning Danger's technique?

A bump is also called a 'hip and shoulder' for a reason. Danger's not protecting his head at all and virtually goes in head first.

There was no malice and Danger isn't a dirty player but that was very reckless.

[Booney]

Chose to bump, bloke gets injured accidental or not = games. 3 for mine.

Is nobody questioning Danger's technique?

A bump is also called a 'hip and shoulder' for a reason. Danger's not protecting his head at all and virtually goes in head first.

There was no malice and Danger isn't a dirty player but that was very reckless.

Agreed, but that's part of what makes him the champion he is, his reckless attack on the body and ball without fear. The game has changed even in the time he's been playing and he needs to adjust how he plays, not sure he'd like that though.

[tigerpie]

He chose to bump. That's why he'll get games.
I agree, its a footy accident and he shouldn't get games for it, but the rules are clear.

[Lightning McQueen]

It's a tough one, it was a typical hit for the 1980's, player draws the opponent and offloads the ball while the the opponent is committed to the body hit, Dangerfield couldn't tackle as the ball would've been released, the hit wasn't high, it was the head contact that caused the injury.

I think Patty is going to escape games on this, he didn't leave the ground and it was bicep to bicep, he had no other option.

Kelly was a bit too late in disposing of the ball to brace for the contact and he probably underestimated the impact that Patty was going to inflict.

It's not a good look for the game but it's been happening for years, it was an accident, exactly that unfortunately.

It's not a jump into him, it's pretty much impossible to bump someone on the move with feet planted on the ground.
Anywho, I guess the tribunal will decide and my opinion is irrelevant, players have got games for far less severe hits so I'm no doubt wrong.

[tigerpie]

MW's pic makes it look like a good old fashioned shirt front.
It certainly isn't shoulder to shoulder or bicep to bicep.

[wild dog]

I don't understand the no malice commentary, both feet off the ground, aimed front on with enough time to avoid. The Crows lad was going down hard no matter the subsequent head clash. He had disposed of the ball and it was a couple of metres away at the time of impact. Why didn't Dangerfield smother the handball? Either he was too late to smother in which case he should not have bumped, or the act was malice. 200 plus game footballer in his 30's not having the experience to know what option to take, come on.

I like Dangerfield as a footballer, hard at it brilliant paced and instinctual footballer, but the fact he had been run down in the previous play and was desperate to stop the subsequent rebound indicates for me that he had the motive, the opportunity and certainly the means. He is a hardened strong footballer who was desperate to atone for his mistake (also possibly humiliation for having been run down.)

My attitude has changed over the years so I understand some of the comments, but this should not be a "hey it was a no malice hard and fair footballer just playing the game as it was meant to be." This is exactly the act that needs to be stopped to ensure Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) is reduced as much as possible. Anyone with 45 years football experience would have experienced big head knocks. I know I have myself and probably dealt some out. Certainly not proud of it. A guy like Dangerfield needs to lead by example, this was a very poor act on his behalf and unfortunately he needs to be punished.

[wild dog]

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Anyway I shouldn't have commented on the VFL site, but the whole issue of head knocks and d/ckhead acts on the footy field probably got the better of me. 5 weeks should be the penalty and Dangerfield (who seems to be of a decent character) should be genuinely remorseful and accept his lot.

[Bum Crack]

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Anyway I shouldn't have commented on the VFL site, but the whole issue of head knocks and d/ckhead acts on the footy field probably got the better of me. 5 weeks should be the penalty and Dangerfield (who seems to be of a decent character) should be genuinely remorseful and accept his lot.

Get off the grass

[MW]

2 weeks would be the "fair" outcome

[tigerpie]

2 weeks would be the "fair" outcome

4, and plea down from there.
But I think 3 would be OK.

But I'm solid on the fact players just don't protect themselves like we did a generation ago.
Back then you knew you were gonna get planted most times and took appropriate, and sometimes not, action to minimise the damage.
Draw the player but handball it as you turn so you don't get shirtfronted.
Kelly did not expect impact cause they're mates perhaps?

[Spargo]

I don't understand the no malice commentary, both feet off the ground, aimed front on with enough time to avoid. The Crows lad was going down hard no matter the subsequent head clash. He had disposed of the ball and it was a couple of metres away at the time of impact. Why didn't Dangerfield smother the handball? Either he was too late to smother in which case he should not have bumped, or the act was malice. 200 plus game footballer in his 30's not having the experience to know what option to take, come on.

I like Dangerfield as a footballer, hard at it brilliant paced and instinctual footballer, but the fact he had been run down in the previous play and was desperate to stop the subsequent rebound indicates for me that he had the motive, the opportunity and certainly the means. He is a hardened strong footballer who was desperate to atone for his mistake (also possibly humiliation for having been run down.)

My attitude has changed over the years so I understand some of the comments, but this should not be a "hey it was a no malice hard and fair footballer just playing the game as it was meant to be." This is exactly the act that needs to be stopped to ensure Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) is reduced as much as possible. Anyone with 45 years football experience would have experienced big head knocks. I know I have myself and probably dealt some out. Certainly not proud of it. A guy like Dangerfield needs to lead by example, this was a very poor act on his behalf and unfortunately he needs to be punished.

Really good post.

[woodublieve12]

Swans Errol Gulden has been selected round 1 rising Star nominee

[MW]

There's new down the ground footage of the danger hit... I'll change my prediction to 4 games

[Turbo]

Daisy’s back, guess Hawthorn won.

Actually old mate Daisy has just outed himself as being Turbo. Honestly didn't pick that one, almost as good as when he outed himself as UK fan.

Guarantee he isn’t. I just hibernate during the summer


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[Armchair expert]

Swans academy rort Errol Gulden has been selected round 1 rising Star nominee

efa

[woodublieve12]

Swans academy rort Errol Gulden has been selected round 1 rising Star nominee

efa

Still sooking from the weekend

[Armchair expert]

Swans academy rort Errol Gulden has been selected round 1 rising Star nominee

efa

Still sooking from the weekend

I just wish Carlton could train kids from 12 years old like the swans rort

[woodublieve12]

That is the lamest excuse for an argument I’ve seen in sometime.