by Senor Moto Gadili » Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:27 am
by woodublieve12 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:48 pm
by Booney » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:05 pm
woodublieve12 wrote:rump Administration Records and Failures.
by Jimmy_041 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:18 pm
woodublieve12 wrote:rump Administration Records and Failures.
Record Trade deficit.
Exports declining.
Record amount of Farmers on welfare and going bankrupt.
Record deficit spending and National Debt
Increased air pollution.
Most cabinet resignations.
Most Indictments and convictions.
Less Deportations than Obama.
Less people covered by health insurance.
No infrastructure funding.
Mexico didn't pay for "the Wall" (it's actually mostly fencing)
Record amount of days the Government was shut down (all to get an even WORSE deal than they could've got beforehand)
Record amount of catastrophes at industrial plants.
More people unemployed than when he took office.
Most deaths from the pandemic in the WESTERN WORLD.
Most days vacationing.
Most games of golf.
Lowest first term approval rating in history.
Most lies told in U.S Presidential history.
Less safeguards on financial institutions with the removal of the Dodd-Frank Act.
Over 35 Missile or Nuclear tests in North Korea. NK built a Nuclear Submarine.
Iran started making Nuclear weapons and building a second Nuclear plant.
Trump lost the popular vote TWICE and never had a mandate to force his agenda on the people.
His mandate was to find common ground and to try to bring the Country together, but he failed miserably.
The Worst U.S President
by RB » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:26 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:The US electoral system was created to ensure that the election was not controlled by the most populous states
by Jimmy_041 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:29 pm
RB wrote:Jimmy_041 wrote:The US electoral system was created to ensure that the election was not controlled by the most populous states
That's not really why they created the Electoral College, and in fact the opposite is true - if a candidate wins the 11 most populous states, he or she wins 270 votes and thus the election - even if, hypothetically speaking, they did not win a single vote in any of the other 39 states.
by RB » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:38 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:34 pm
RB wrote:Again, preventing the most populous states from dominating the election was not the reason for the design of the original constitutional provisions for electing the president, nor the new system following the 1800 election which largely still exists today - I suggest you do some research.
Also, California did not exist when they created the system.
by Booney » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:50 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:but people in outback US wouldn't have a clue
by Jimmy_041 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:57 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:57 pm
Booney wrote:Jimmy_041 wrote:but people in outback US wouldn't have a clue
They got that right.
by Jimmy_041 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:00 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:09 pm
by am Bays » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:39 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:
We have a something similar here in Australia where each State has an equal number of senators regardless of their population. Otherwise the eastern states could dominate the laws, funding etc
by RB » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:00 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:Somewhere in here is the debate about it: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_centur ... es_719.asp
But I have to get going
by Apachebulldog » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:45 pm
woodublieve12 wrote:rump Administration Records and Failures.
Record Trade deficit.
Exports declining.
Record amount of Farmers on welfare and going bankrupt.
Record deficit spending and National Debt
Increased air pollution.
Most cabinet resignations.
Most Indictments and convictions.
Less Deportations than Obama.
Less people covered by health insurance.
No infrastructure funding.
Mexico didn't pay for "the Wall" (it's actually mostly fencing)
Record amount of days the Government was shut down (all to get an even WORSE deal than they could've got beforehand)
Record amount of catastrophes at industrial plants.
More people unemployed than when he took office.
Most deaths from the pandemic in the WESTERN WORLD.
Most days vacationing.
Most games of golf.
Lowest first term approval rating in history.
Most lies told in U.S Presidential history.
Less safeguards on financial institutions with the removal of the Dodd-Frank Act.
Over 35 Missile or Nuclear tests in North Korea. NK built a Nuclear Submarine.
Iran started making Nuclear weapons and building a second Nuclear plant.
Trump lost the popular vote TWICE and never had a mandate to force his agenda on the people.
His mandate was to find common ground and to try to bring the Country together, but he failed miserably.
The Worst U.S President
by Apachebulldog » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:48 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:46 pm
RB wrote:Jimmy_041 wrote:Somewhere in here is the debate about it: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_centur ... es_719.asp
But I have to get going
Well I got around to reading this - it refers to the debate on whether the president should be eligible for re-election, with one speaker predicting that if they are so eligible, they will be no check on the legislature as they'll be keen to ensure a second term, and that to that end they'll likely govern only with the interests of larger states in mind.
The link does not support the notion that the EC was designed to ensure that electoral power should be balanced between large and small states.
Rather, it was designed to ensure a balance between the north and south, and to ensure that the south would have electoral power equal to its population (notwithstanding that a much higher proportion of the southern population were slaves, and thus ineligible to vote), and finally to ensure that unsuitable 'populist' candidates - i.e. demagogues - would not get themselves elected by courting the masses. For this reason, not only was the EC system thought up, but indeed the decision as to who got to be president left to the state legislatures, rather than the voters of each state like in the present day.
This is to be contrasted with the Senate, which was explicitly designed to ensure that large states would not dominate at the expense of small states.
Some links which explain the intentions of the writers of the Constitution:
https://theconversation.com/who-invente ... ege-147083
https://time.com/4558510/electoral-coll ... y-slavery/
Although at the present time, the popular vote-EC disparity, meaning that Biden had to win the popular vote by about 3.5% in order to get to 270 votes, favours the party which is more popular in some of the smaller, more rural states, it's a matter of swings and roundabouts. The Democrats have benefited from it in the past. (And indeed, smaller states that reliably vote Democratic like Maine, New Mexico and Vermont, suffer the same fate presently as safe GOP states like Wyoming, Montana etc. would if a popular vote system was introduced. Indeed, there are only about ten genuine 'swing states' where candidates campaign.)
Nor, as I have said, does it prevent the large states from dominating the election, given that so long as you get to the 270, you could completely ignore large swathes of smaller states. It just happens that the big ones are fairly evenly split for the time being, although if Texas moves into the Democrat camp, the disparity will be the other way around.
Although I think that proportionate representation in the Senate is important in a federation, as we have here in Australia, I think the EC system is not only outdated, but in practice doesn't even lead to the balance you described Jimmy, or at least, it only balances power between large states and some small states.
by Booney » Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:29 pm
by Booney » Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:08 am
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