by tigerpie » Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:58 pm
by bulldogproud » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:02 pm
tigerpie wrote:I'm fairly certain freydenburg said last week, "there'll be no cash handouts like the labor party recklessly handed out during the GFC."
This mobs credibility has fallen past zero!
by Q. » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:36 pm
cracka wrote:Q. wrote:Jim05 wrote:We have had mandatory testing for years and it works fine, I can’t believe more businesses don’t do it.
Because it's expensive, dehumanising and pointless for most.
Being a truck driver we regularly get drug & alcohol tested. I've never felt dehumanised. I'd actually prefer more testing for drivers.
by cracka » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:02 pm
Q. wrote:cracka wrote:Q. wrote:Jim05 wrote:We have had mandatory testing for years and it works fine, I can’t believe more businesses don’t do it.
Because it's expensive, dehumanising and pointless for most.
Being a truck driver we regularly get drug & alcohol tested. I've never felt dehumanised. I'd actually prefer more testing for drivers.
Because if you're impaired, you could potentially kill someone?!
by Magellan » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:42 pm
Jim05 wrote:We have had mandatory testing for years and it works fine, I can’t believe more businesses don’t do it.
by Jimmy_041 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:55 pm
Q. wrote:cracka wrote:Q. wrote:Jim05 wrote:
Because it's expensive, dehumanising and pointless for most.
Being a truck driver we regularly get drug & alcohol tested. I've never felt dehumanised. I'd actually prefer more testing for drivers.
Because if you're impaired, you could potentially kill someone?!
And so do people who are messed up on ice etc
Our office staff also get tested. 2 were sacked one time for positive results.
by Q. » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:50 pm
cracka wrote:Q. wrote:cracka wrote:Being a truck driver we regularly get drug & alcohol tested. I've never felt dehumanised. I'd actually prefer more testing for drivers.
Because if you're impaired, you could potentially kill someone?!
And so do people who are messed up on ice etc
Our office staff also get tested. 2 were sacked one time for positive results.
by cracka » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:23 pm
Q. wrote:cracka wrote:Q. wrote:cracka wrote:Being a truck driver we regularly get drug & alcohol tested. I've never felt dehumanised. I'd actually prefer more testing for drivers.
Because if you're impaired, you could potentially kill someone?!
And so do people who are messed up on ice etc
Our office staff also get tested. 2 were sacked one time for positive results.
Punishing people for having an addiction doesn't make the addiction magically disappear. Treating it from a health perspective is a far more successful intervention.
by Q. » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:35 pm
cracka wrote:Q. wrote:Punishing people for having an addiction doesn't make the addiction magically disappear. Treating it from a health perspective is a far more successful intervention.
So if I have an addiction (lifestyle choice) then I shouldn't be tested & it's ok for me to drive.
by cracka » Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:39 pm
Q. wrote:cracka wrote:Q. wrote:Punishing people for having an addiction doesn't make the addiction magically disappear. Treating it from a health perspective is a far more successful intervention.
So if I have an addiction (lifestyle choice) then I shouldn't be tested & it's ok for me to drive.
Lifestyle choice? Jesus you're ignorant.
I'm not talking about drink/drug driving.
by cracka » Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:06 pm
Q. wrote:cracka wrote:Q. wrote:Punishing people for having an addiction doesn't make the addiction magically disappear. Treating it from a health perspective is a far more successful intervention.
So if I have an addiction (lifestyle choice) then I shouldn't be tested & it's ok for me to drive.
Lifestyle choice? Jesus you're ignorant.
I'm not talking about drink/drug driving.
by Q. » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:10 pm
cracka wrote:Q. wrote:cracka wrote:Q. wrote:Punishing people for having an addiction doesn't make the addiction magically disappear. Treating it from a health perspective is a far more successful intervention.
So if I have an addiction (lifestyle choice) then I shouldn't be tested & it's ok for me to drive.
Lifestyle choice? Jesus you're ignorant.
I'm not talking about drink/drug driving.
So getting into drugs isn't a lifestyle choice
by Q. » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:13 pm
cracka wrote:Q. wrote:cracka wrote:Q. wrote:Punishing people for having an addiction doesn't make the addiction magically disappear. Treating it from a health perspective is a far more successful intervention.
So if I have an addiction (lifestyle choice) then I shouldn't be tested & it's ok for me to drive.
Lifestyle choice? Jesus you're ignorant.
I'm not talking about drink/drug driving.
No, you were saying its dehumanising to drug test people in the workplace but its ok to drug test me because I'm a driver. Well without looking for any statistics, I'm pretty sure most drug takers also drive.
by Q. » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:27 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:31 pm
cracka wrote:Q. wrote:cracka wrote:Q. wrote:Punishing people for having an addiction doesn't make the addiction magically disappear. Treating it from a health perspective is a far more successful intervention.
So if I have an addiction (lifestyle choice) then I shouldn't be tested & it's ok for me to drive.
Lifestyle choice? Jesus you're ignorant.
I'm not talking about drink/drug driving.
No, you were saying its dehumanising to drug test people in the workplace but its ok to drug test me because I'm a driver. Well without looking for any statistics, I'm pretty sure most drug takers also drive.
by Q. » Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:38 pm
Jimmy_041 wrote:cracka wrote:Q. wrote:Lifestyle choice? Jesus you're ignorant.
I'm not talking about drink/drug driving.
No, you were saying its dehumanising to drug test people in the workplace but its ok to drug test me because I'm a driver. Well without looking for any statistics, I'm pretty sure most drug takers also drive.
They certainly shouldn’t be drug testing the Mums dropping off 3 kids at school in the morning.
Testing positive in front of their kids is very dehumanising.
I must be ignorant as well
by cracka » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:32 pm
cracka wrote:Q. wrote:cracka wrote:Q. wrote:Punishing people for having an addiction doesn't make the addiction magically disappear. Treating it from a health perspective is a far more successful intervention.
So if I have an addiction (lifestyle choice) then I shouldn't be tested & it's ok for me to drive.
Lifestyle choice? Jesus you're ignorant.
I'm not talking about drink/drug driving.
So getting into drugs isn't a lifestyle choice
Q. wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22301321
Addiction to drugs is a major contemporary public health issue, characterized by maladaptive behavior to obtain and consume an increasing amount of drugs at the expense of the individual's health and social and personal life. We discovered abnormalities in fronto-striatal brain systems implicated in self-control in both stimulant-dependent individuals and their biological siblings who have no history of chronic drug abuse; these findings support the idea of an underlying neurocognitive endophenotype for stimulant drug addiction.
by Trader » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:32 pm
by Q. » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:44 pm
cracka wrote:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3047254/
In Addiction: A disorder of choice Gene Heyman makes a case for drug addiction to be a result of natural processes involving voluntary (i.e., operant) behavior, specifically choice
by Q. » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:58 pm
Trader wrote:Q, you seem to focus on the fact they are addicted and that they no longer have a choice to stop, and while that might be true, many others look at the fact they made the choice to start.
Someone who has never had ice before, isn't addicted to ice.
Call me narrow minded, call me sheltered or ignorant or whatever term you come up with next, but I have yet to hear a good reason why these addicts should get a free pass for the choice they made when they first started taking the drug.
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