Bum Crack wrote:I think Warner took advantage of Bancroft and although stupid on his part, he should never have put him in that position. He then intimidated his captain into it as well. He's a dead set **** if you ask me, as the mastermind, he should have been given the arse permanently. He's ruined Bancroft's career by the looks and tarnished one the of the world's best batsman for the remainder of his career. If it wasn't for Warner, none of this would have happened.
Fair assessment and understandable, I think Bancroft should be held more accountable for it though too, as a budding young cricketer given the opportunity to represent his country you'd think he'd place more value on the baggy green, and how he did it was plain obvious and stupid.
Bum Crack wrote:I think Warner took advantage of Bancroft and although stupid on his part, he should never have put him in that position. He then intimidated his captain into it as well. He's a dead set **** if you ask me, as the mastermind, he should have been given the arse permanently. He's ruined Bancroft's career by the looks and tarnished one the of the world's best batsman for the remainder of his career. If it wasn't for Warner, none of this would have happened.
Fair assessment and understandable, I think Bancroft should be held more accountable for it though too, as a budding young cricketer given the opportunity to represent his country you'd think he'd place more value on the baggy green, and how he did it was plain obvious and stupid.
He should never have been made to do it in the first place. He's copped his whack for it more so than the mastermind. As I said though, yes he is a dickhead for doing it.
So you've seen everything have you? Yep Have you ever seen a man eat his own head? No Well you haven't seen everything then have you.
whufc wrote:Have no issue with Dave Warner winning the medal, he served his time as he should have and has come back....thats fine.
I think the award is slightly broken when you can be the worst performing cricketer in our years biggest series but still take out the major award but is no biggie.
I see where your coming from but you are judged over a whole year not just one tournament/series. He obviously polled very well across the board
whufc wrote:Have no issue with Dave Warner winning the medal, he served his time as he should have and has come back....thats fine.
I think the award is slightly broken when you can be the worst performing cricketer in our years biggest series but still take out the major award but is no biggie.
I see where your coming from but you are judged over a whole year not just one tournament/series. He obviously polled very well across the board
He would've played in more games than anyone else.
It's like the Brownlow, you don't lose points for shit games.
whufc wrote:Have no issue with Dave Warner winning the medal, he served his time as he should have and has come back....thats fine.
I think the award is slightly broken when you can be the worst performing cricketer in our years biggest series but still take out the major award but is no biggie.
I see where your coming from but you are judged over a whole year not just one tournament/series. He obviously polled very well across the board
Personally I would rather see the test series against England and India weighted heavier than a test series against Pak, SL, Win for example.
whufc wrote:Have no issue with Dave Warner winning the medal, he served his time as he should have and has come back....thats fine.
I think the award is slightly broken when you can be the worst performing cricketer in our years biggest series but still take out the major award but is no biggie.
I see where your coming from but you are judged over a whole year not just one tournament/series. He obviously polled very well across the board
Personally I would rather see the test series against England and India weighted heavier than a test series against Pak, SL, Win for example.
What if they weigh the next test series v India at say double or 1.5 points and we get spanked 4 nil with no batter averaging over 30 or bowler under 30 for the series?
If you can keep your head when all around you have lost theirs, then you probably haven't understood the seriousness of the situation.
Bum Crack wrote:I remember him for being a cheating dog. The quicker he **** off the better.
Out of interest BC, what's your thoughts on Smith and Bancroft?
I think Warner took advantage of Bancroft and although stupid on his part, he should never have put him in that position. He then intimidated his captain into it as well. He's a dead set **** if you ask me, as the mastermind, he should have been given the arse permanently. He's ruined Bancroft's career by the looks and tarnished one the of the world's best batsman for the remainder of his career. If it wasn't for Warner, none of this would have happened.
What a load of crap, Bancroft was never going to make it, only played as much as he has because Langer loves him. What they did was bugger all, Bancroft should've got 2 games, Warner and Smith debateable if they should've got any, had it been left to the ICC they may not have got that. The one that should've had the book thrown at him was Mick Lewis in the Shield final at Glenelg
Im glad Warner won the AB medal, what a year of redemption for him. Well done to the selectors for sticking by him after the Ashes
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Bum Crack wrote:I remember him for being a cheating dog. The quicker he **** off the better.
Out of interest BC, what's your thoughts on Smith and Bancroft?
I think Warner took advantage of Bancroft and although stupid on his part, he should never have put him in that position. He then intimidated his captain into it as well. He's a dead set **** if you ask me, as the mastermind, he should have been given the arse permanently. He's ruined Bancroft's career by the looks and tarnished one the of the world's best batsman for the remainder of his career. If it wasn't for Warner, none of this would have happened.
What a load of crap, Bancroft was never going to make it, only played as much as he has because Langer loves him. What they did was bugger all, Bancroft should've got 2 games, Warner and Smith debateable if they should've got any, had it been left to the ICC they may not have got that. The one that should've had the book thrown at him was Mick Lewis in the Shield final at Glenelg
Im glad Warner won the AB medal, what a year of redemption for him. Well done to the selectors for sticking by him after the Ashes
He's a dog.
So you've seen everything have you? Yep Have you ever seen a man eat his own head? No Well you haven't seen everything then have you.
Warner was the "master mind" (lol) behind one of (with the under arm incident) the darkest moments in Australian cricket history.
Not only did he deliberately set out and intend to cheat, he used a younger, less experienced player as his scapegoat. His name will forever be tarnished and rightly so.
How his year, which included the debacle of an Ashes series for him, can be rated better than the year Cummins or Labuschange had is ridiculous.
Booney wrote:Warner was the "master mind" (lol) behind one of (with the under arm incident) the darkest moments in Australian cricket history.
Not only did he deliberately set out and intend to cheat, he used a younger, less experienced player as his scapegoat. His name will forever be tarnished and rightly so.
How his year, which included the debacle of an Ashes series for him, can be rated better than the year Cummins or Labuschange had is ridiculous.
That's the flaw of the system, at the end of the day he deserved it given the criteria and maximum opportunities to poll.
These type of awards aren't popularity competitions.
What a load of crap, Bancroft was never going to make it, only played as much as he has because Langer loves him. What they did was bugger all, Bancroft should've got 2 games, Warner and Smith debateable if they should've got any, had it been left to the ICC they may not have got that. The one that should've had the book thrown at him was Mick Lewis in the Shield final at Glenelg
Im glad Warner won the AB medal, what a year of redemption for him. Well done to the selectors for sticking by him after the Ashes
Thanks for that, I forgot about Mick Lewis, he was also the first bowler to score a ton in an ODI, he has a fair CV.
Booney wrote:Warner was the "master mind" (lol) behind one of (with the under arm incident) the darkest moments in Australian cricket history.
Not only did he deliberately set out and intend to cheat, he used a younger, less experienced player as his scapegoat. His name will forever be tarnished and rightly so.
How his year, which included the debacle of an Ashes series for him, can be rated better than the year Cummins or Labuschange had is ridiculous.
That's the flaw of the system, at the end of the day he deserved it given the criteria and maximum opportunities to poll.
These type of awards aren't popularity competitions.
I admire his talent but not his persona.
He didn't deserve it because he shouldn't even be playing for Australia. He should have been banned for life the cheating dog.
So you've seen everything have you? Yep Have you ever seen a man eat his own head? No Well you haven't seen everything then have you.
MW wrote:Not sure what that means but my point is how do you adjust points given for votes in games due to the opposition and venue you are playing at...
Allan Border is entitled to comment on an award named in his honour. I believe his point is more weighting should be applied to test match cricket than T20. Nothing to do with quality of opponents or venue..... and while we are at it why not eliminate the journos votes!
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The fact all three formats carry the same weighting system shows how flawed it is.
How many players are there that participate in all three formats, and rarely miss a game? Just by opportunity alone Warner is already well ahead of the rest.
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