am Bays wrote:Q. wrote:Scientific consensus isn't a left/right issue. You either accept the scientific consensus or willingly oppose it for ideological purposes.Trader wrote:There are also a lot of people who aren't convinced of the human impacts towards climate change.
If you say you are sceptical about the human impacts, you get called a climate denier and the left will paint you out to be some crackpot that doesn't see the climate is changing. (equally the right will do this on other issues).
So instead of having a healthy discussion about the human impact of climate change, you get to a point where no-one discusses it in a meaningful way. The left put out more and more absurd predictions, trying to grab attention, and the right ignore it (both the issue, and the chatter from the left).
Opinion polls ask people what they think about various issues, and knowing it doesn't mean anything, people just say the socially acceptable answer, the polls predict a labor victory as a result. But when push comes to shove, and people are in the ballot box, they are able to vote the way they actually feel, without being judged for their vote.
Thanks for proving Traders point Q.
He has a raised a question about "the Quiet Australians/The forgotten people" however you want to describe them, wanting to have an honest debate about a range of issues and then someone questions them for having a valid queries and perspectives on those issues and they are called ideologues and this is what you should think. You either accept it or willing oppose it, there's no middle ground. The result on Saturday proves that the vast majority of Australians want to discuss the middle ground.
Quite rightly the silent Australians get sick of being told "this is what you should think cause we know better than you" and so turn the middle finger up at those who they perceive are putting them down for wanting to have a valid debate. This is why Labor didn't do as well as it hoped on the weekend
Similarly there are those on the right of politics who do the same (All Muslims are evil) and quite rightly they got the finger shown to them too, anyone seen Fraser A?
There's no middle ground on the scientific consensus. You either accept the science or oppose it for ideological reasons.
To be fair, the left ideologically oppose scientific consensus when it suits them too - the anti-gmo and anti-glyphosate zealots