Tony Clifton wrote:Don't think a ball can't be a no ball and a wide. Reckon it's whatever comes first and, from memory, a no ball trumps a wide if they happen at the same time (eg in the case of a wide full toss)
Correct, it can't be both. So in the example of a no-ball wide, it would be scored as 1 no ball and 4 byes.
A no-ball always trumps a wide (timing is irrelevant), as a no-ball is more punitive of the two for the fielding side. IE: you can be stumped off a wide but not a no ball, so if its 'both' the umpire should call no-ball to ensure the batsman gets all the protection he should.
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Tony Clifton wrote:Don't think a ball can't be a no ball and a wide. Reckon it's whatever comes first and, from memory, a no ball trumps a wide if they happen at the same time (eg in the case of a wide full toss)
Correct, it can't be both. So in the example of a no-ball wide, it would be scored as 1 no ball and 4 byes.
A no-ball always trumps a wide (timing is irrelevant), as a no-ball is more punitive of the two for the fielding side. IE: you can be stumped off a wide but not a no ball, so if its 'both' the umpire should call no-ball to ensure the batsman gets all the protection he should.
It's the difference between hard wicket and turf, in hard wicket the umpire will call "no-ball" once the ball hits the grass instead of "wide" as in turf cricket.
It's deemed a no-ball incase it comes back into play whereas on a turf pitch it will continue it's trajectory generally as the grass around a turf wicket is truer than that of around a hard wicket.
When I've coached inter-association teams I've heard all sorts of different calls, "no-ball wide", "wide dead ball", both I've found baffling as it doesn't punish a crap delivery accordingly.
Trader wrote:If it pitches off the cut stuff it is meant to be a no-ball. Anyone calling it a wide in turf cricket is mistaken.
Are you sure?
Don't think that's right
Unless it's an ATCA creation
I thought it was a bit odd given the width of most turf pitches but wasn't going to question the merchant.
Wise man LM.
Law 21 (No ball), part 7: 21.7 - pitching off the pitch The umpire shall call and signal No ball if a ball ... pitches wholly or partially off the pitch as defined in Law 6.1 (Area of pitch) before it reaches the line of the striker’s wicket.
magpieeagle wrote:A1 GV v Mallala called off-wet pitch.
Freeling and sandy creek pitches also not getting up
Will play at Angaston and Eudunda i believe, Tanunda also good chance and i havent heard anything about Greenock. All the rest of the turf games are off
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Trader wrote:If it pitches off the cut stuff it is meant to be a no-ball. Anyone calling it a wide in turf cricket is mistaken.
Are you sure?
Don't think that's right
Unless it's an ATCA creation
I thought it was a bit odd given the width of most turf pitches but wasn't going to question the merchant.
Wise man LM.
Law 21 (No ball), part 7: 21.7 - pitching off the pitch The umpire shall call and signal No ball if a ball ... pitches wholly or partially off the pitch as defined in Law 6.1 (Area of pitch) before it reaches the line of the striker’s wicket.
Had a couple of these on the weekend - on hardwicket, the bowler missed the pitch entirely, didn't hit any matting straps or concrete, just dirt and grass and through to the keeper, but the umpire [association appointed] was calling them dead-balls, which seems strange, well actually it seems blatantly wrong. You can bowl a wide that lands on the pitch, but put it a foot wider and its a dead-ball apparently - which is at odds with Law 21 and the bylaws I read.
TimmiesChin wrote: Had a couple of these on the weekend - on hardwicket, the bowler missed the pitch entirely, didn't hit any matting straps or concrete, just dirt and grass and through to the keeper, but the umpire [association appointed] was calling them dead-balls, which seems strange, well actually it seems blatantly wrong. You can bowl a wide that lands on the pitch, but put it a foot wider and its a dead-ball apparently - which is at odds with Law 21 and the bylaws I read.
Booney wrote: If it's that wide that the 'keeper cannot get to it, that's another thing.
The bowler is removed from the crease, continually mocked by his teammates and banished from bowling for the rest of the year.
That was what playing for Smithfield was like, when you got up to go out to bat after a dismissal your team mates would say "see you in a minute", there was nowhere to hide if you dropped a catch and no matter where you were fielding the ball would always make it around to you as it was working it's way from the keeper to the bowler in between balls, a gently little lob followed by a few claps, cheers and weird noises.
What on earth happened at South Gawler yesterday? 20 wickets for 91 runs! I've heard rumours the pitch out there is not in great shape, was that the case yesterday??
Shanks'n'divots wrote:What on earth happened at South Gawler yesterday? 20 wickets for 91 runs! I've heard rumours the pitch out there is not in great shape, was that the case yesterday??
Very wet wicket apparently. They have a few issues there with poor grass coverage, hopefullly they can get on top of it soon
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