by Armchair expert » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:47 am
by Booney » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:49 am
Bum Crack wrote:The amount they sign up for does not include match payments. If he has signed for $800 - $870k as some suggest, then he would get match payments on top of that, however, if people are factoring in match payments as well, he is in fact signing up for approx $700k a year. From my knowledge of players at AFL Clubs, they receive match payments on top of their contract
by whufc » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:52 am
by Booney » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:58 am
whufc wrote:AFL players 100% definitely receive a retainer and then match payments/bonuses on top of that. Not sure how that is reflected when being reported in the news though.
by whufc » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:06 am
Booney wrote:whufc wrote:AFL players 100% definitely receive a retainer and then match payments/bonuses on top of that. Not sure how that is reflected when being reported in the news though.
I'm with Dutchy, not the ones on $5-600k+, they don't get match payments on top of their salary. Some of the players around $2-300k might, but someone like Wines isn't getting $4500 per game on top of his salary.
It's how the clubs manage their caps. They pay a 1st or 2nd year rookie $120,000 with a bonus payment per match, assuming they won't play all 22 matches or, if they do, their match payment is still covered in the TPP for the year, that's how clubs end up only paying 95% of the TPP and "bank" some for the following year. ( As they now can ).
If you look at the numbers :
22 players x $4500 per week ( BC's number ) = $99,000 per week.
$99,000 x 22 rounds = $2,178,000 per year.
So if the TPP ( Total Player Payments ) is $10.37m is that $2.178m included in that $10.37m or is it over and above, in your view?
If you can offer links to AFLPA or AFL Salary Cap information I'll happily concede. I look forward to reading it.
by whufc » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:13 am
Booney wrote:whufc wrote:AFL players 100% definitely receive a retainer and then match payments/bonuses on top of that. Not sure how that is reflected when being reported in the news though.
I'm with Dutchy, not the ones on $5-600k+, they don't get match payments on top of their salary. Some of the players around $2-300k might, but someone like Wines isn't getting $4500 per game on top of his salary.
It's how the clubs manage their caps. They pay a 1st or 2nd year rookie $120,000 with a bonus payment per match, assuming they won't play all 22 matches or, if they do, their match payment is still covered in the TPP for the year, that's how clubs end up only paying 95% of the TPP and "bank" some for the following year. ( As they now can ).
If you look at the numbers :
22 players x $4500 per week ( BC's number ) = $99,000 per week.
$99,000 x 22 rounds = $2,178,000 per year.
So if the TPP ( Total Player Payments ) is $10.37m is that $2.178m included in that $10.37m or is it over and above, in your view?
If you can offer links to AFLPA or AFL Salary Cap information I'll happily concede. I look forward to reading it.
by Dutchy » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:32 pm
by Bandit » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:05 pm
Dutchy wrote:Media would have to report "x has signed on for $700k pa, plus another $100k if he plays every game" but they don't.
It was a few years back but I have seen a contract on a former Crow champion. Simply an annual payment but then bonuses around B&F position, team position on the ladder and Brownlow position.
by Trader » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:09 pm
whufc wrote:Booney wrote:whufc wrote:AFL players 100% definitely receive a retainer and then match payments/bonuses on top of that. Not sure how that is reflected when being reported in the news though.
I'm with Dutchy, not the ones on $5-600k+, they don't get match payments on top of their salary. Some of the players around $2-300k might, but someone like Wines isn't getting $4500 per game on top of his salary.
It's how the clubs manage their caps. They pay a 1st or 2nd year rookie $120,000 with a bonus payment per match, assuming they won't play all 22 matches or, if they do, their match payment is still covered in the TPP for the year, that's how clubs end up only paying 95% of the TPP and "bank" some for the following year. ( As they now can ).
If you look at the numbers :
22 players x $4500 per week ( BC's number ) = $99,000 per week.
$99,000 x 22 rounds = $2,178,000 per year.
So if the TPP ( Total Player Payments ) is $10.37m is that $2.178m included in that $10.37m or is it over and above, in your view?
If you can offer links to AFLPA or AFL Salary Cap information I'll happily concede. I look forward to reading it.
http://www.aflplayers.com.au/cba/
Feel free to go through the 124 pages to look for the answer
22. Player Contract Information
(a) The AFL agrees to provide the AFLPA with the following statistical information, on a de-identified basis, relating to player contracts, Additional Services Agreements and other payments on or before 1 March each year of the Term, or such other date as agreed between the Parties:
(iii) a breakdown by numbers and percentages of base only and base and match contracts for Players on an industry and Club basis;
Schedule C – Minimum Terms and Conditions
1. Base and Senior Match Payments
(a) An AFL Club shall pay each Player it employs other than a first year draft choice Player, a second year Player, a Rookie Player or a Player promoted from the Rookie List, a minimum base payment per annum and a minimum Senior Match payment per Senior Match as set out in the table below: Year: 2017
Base Payment: $100,000
Senior Match Payment $4,300
by Booney » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:19 pm
by locky801 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:23 pm
Bandit wrote:Dutchy wrote:Media would have to report "x has signed on for $700k pa, plus another $100k if he plays every game" but they don't.
It was a few years back but I have seen a contract on a former Crow champion. Simply an annual payment but then bonuses around B&F position, team position on the ladder and Brownlow position.
Bonuses on B&F and Brownlow position is a horrible idea! You've got the ball at 50, a player is free inside 50, pretty sure you'd be taking the shot rather than doing the team thing. Even if its just the smallest inkling in the back of your mind - just couldn't be good.
Reminds me of u-14's when your nana would give you $5 for each goal you kicked!
by Booney » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:27 pm
locky801 wrote:Bandit wrote:Dutchy wrote:Media would have to report "x has signed on for $700k pa, plus another $100k if he plays every game" but they don't.
It was a few years back but I have seen a contract on a former Crow champion. Simply an annual payment but then bonuses around B&F position, team position on the ladder and Brownlow position.
Bonuses on B&F and Brownlow position is a horrible idea! You've got the ball at 50, a player is free inside 50, pretty sure you'd be taking the shot rather than doing the team thing. Even if its just the smallest inkling in the back of your mind - just couldn't be good.
Reminds me of u-14's when your nana would give you $5 for each goal you kicked!
Gold
by Corona Man » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:28 pm
Booney wrote:locky801 wrote:Bandit wrote:Dutchy wrote:Media would have to report "x has signed on for $700k pa, plus another $100k if he plays every game" but they don't.
It was a few years back but I have seen a contract on a former Crow champion. Simply an annual payment but then bonuses around B&F position, team position on the ladder and Brownlow position.
Bonuses on B&F and Brownlow position is a horrible idea! You've got the ball at 50, a player is free inside 50, pretty sure you'd be taking the shot rather than doing the team thing. Even if its just the smallest inkling in the back of your mind - just couldn't be good.
Reminds me of u-14's when your nana would give you $5 for each goal you kicked!
Gold
$5! Either A) You're not very old or B) your Nana was ******* loaded!
by bertiebeatle » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:50 pm
by Booney » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:54 pm
bertiebeatle wrote:Jonas in for Hombsch the only change. Big in, missed TJ last week and is going to be important tomorrow night.
by bertiebeatle » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:57 pm
Booney wrote:bertiebeatle wrote:Jonas in for Hombsch the only change. Big in, missed TJ last week and is going to be important tomorrow night.
He'll go to Petracca.
by Bum Crack » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:53 pm
Booney wrote:whufc wrote:AFL players 100% definitely receive a retainer and then match payments/bonuses on top of that. Not sure how that is reflected when being reported in the news though.
I'm with Dutchy, not the ones on $5-600k+, they don't get match payments on top of their salary. Some of the players around $2-300k might, but someone like Wines isn't getting $4500 per game on top of his salary.
It's how the clubs manage their caps. They pay a 1st or 2nd year rookie $120,000 with a bonus payment per match, assuming they won't play all 22 matches or, if they do, their match payment is still covered in the TPP for the year, that's how clubs end up only paying 95% of the TPP and "bank" some for the following year. ( As they now can ).
If you look at the numbers :
22 players x $4500 per week ( BC's number ) = $99,000 per week.
$99,000 x 22 rounds = $2,178,000 per year.
So if the TPP ( Total Player Payments ) is $10.37m is that $2.178m included in that $10.37m or is it over and above, in your view?
If you can offer links to AFLPA or AFL Salary Cap information I'll happily concede. I look forward to reading it.
by bennymacca » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:25 pm
by LMA » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:50 pm
Bandit wrote:Dutchy wrote:Media would have to report "x has signed on for $700k pa, plus another $100k if he plays every game" but they don't.
It was a few years back but I have seen a contract on a former Crow champion. Simply an annual payment but then bonuses around B&F position, team position on the ladder and Brownlow position.
Bonuses on B&F and Brownlow position is a horrible idea! You've got the ball at 50, a player is free inside 50, pretty sure you'd be taking the shot rather than doing the team thing. Even if its just the smallest inkling in the back of your mind - just couldn't be good.
Reminds me of u-14's when your nana would give you $5 for each goal you kicked!
by Bum Crack » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:59 am
bennymacca wrote:Surely you’re smart enough to concede that each contract can be negotiated individually, and that some may include extra bonuses for every match and some might not?
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