by Bombers4EVA » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:35 pm
by marbles » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:44 pm
The Bedge wrote:marbles wrote:Couldnt flinders uni & mitchell parks be adel Lutheran's d-grade
by The Ash Man » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:02 pm
Suri wrote:jo172 wrote:Morell, that's a really good post and I hope to respond to it in more detail at a later stage.
There are some issues in your post that may be just Mitchell Park issues, some issues that would apply broadly to clubs in Mitchell Parks "sphere" (I realise that's condescending but I can't think of a particularly better way of putting it at quarter past 5) and some issues that apply more broadly to all Clubs across the state.
What particularly hit me is:The Front Bar at Mitchell Park certainly provided all of that, but even then, there was still a Club first attitude, they’d wash the dishes, help the canteen staff, fill water bottles, sell raffle tickets, help out with admin – whatever it was, they would always do whatever they could to help out the Football Club. As they knew that The Club provided them with so muc more. And that is precisely the right word. *Club*. To use an Americanism - a fraternity.
This appears to me to be an endemic issue across all sporting clubs. I have no idea whether it's a symptom of a time poor society, a greater array of recreational options open to young men than in previous generations or generational apathy but there is an across the board (with exceptions) unwillingness for people to contribute more than the bare minimum in being a member of the Club despite the many benefits, both personal and collective that it brings.
It is an attitude shift that by its nature is going to cause seismic shifts in community sport, particularly when the current generation of volunteers dies out (generally baby-boomers and up).
I think this is what has made the local footy club struggle to survive in places. Gone are the days where the footy club was the only place your family went to on a Saturday, where the missus would come down and catch up with the other ladies, the golden oldies would sit at the bar on a Thursday night during training and be there for the A grade game on Saturday. Add to that people no longer live near the footy club, at least not in Walkerville, and this doesn't help keep the volunteer numbers up and a club running as smoothly as it use to.
Its great to see there are passionate people still around who want their club to succeed on and off the field
by Pag » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:04 pm
marbles wrote:The Bedge wrote:marbles wrote:Couldnt flinders uni & mitchell parks be adel Lutheran's d-grade
how is this the case when...
# MP have lost 9 players in clearances and none of them to Adelaide Lutheran
AND
# FP have lost 8 players in clearances and only 1 of them to adelaide luthies
1 PLAYER TAKEN BY LUTHERANS from both clubs.... wtaf
also all this drama about Mitchell Park, theyve cleared 9 players & gained 2 with 4 pending..... another wtaf! how are they in strife.
by beef » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:12 pm
Pag wrote:marbles wrote:The Bedge wrote:marbles wrote:Couldnt flinders uni & mitchell parks be adel Lutheran's d-grade
how is this the case when...
# MP have lost 9 players in clearances and none of them to Adelaide Lutheran
AND
# FP have lost 8 players in clearances and only 1 of them to adelaide luthies
1 PLAYER TAKEN BY LUTHERANS from both clubs.... wtaf
also all this drama about Mitchell Park, theyve cleared 9 players & gained 2 with 4 pending..... another wtaf! how are they in strife.
Clearance numbers don't tell the whole story, blokes who stop playing by choice or those who are no longer able to play (morell as an example) won't show up on the clearance page. Neither do volunteers.
I share morell's sentiments with this. People may have a crack at me when I say Salisbury do not pay players. A few of us senior blokes even started putting some money out of own pockets into a kitty each week to try to attract some guys, but the money we had was never going to be enough to entice anybody. We have fluctuated between Div 3-4 for the past 15 years based off a 'golden generation' of juniors from the late 90s-early 00s who have stuck with the club for nothing (lots have ventured elsewhere for a year or two then come back), but unfortunately that time will soon come to an end and we can only hope the next generation supports the place the way the previous one has (not just with playing, but with volunteering, supporting the bar + kitchen, attending functions regularly etc), otherwise we may end up facing the same fate as Mitchell Park are currently staring at. I can't imagine where we would be right now if our juniors hadn't been as strong as they were for past 20-25 years. And this is from Div 4, not Div 7.
I could never imagine being in town at a nightclub instead of my footy club bar at 8pm on a Saturday night. Unfortunately, those people (morell seems to be in the same boat) are slowly starting to die away. Footy clubs will follow unfortunately.
by marbles » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:14 pm
Pag wrote:marbles wrote:The Bedge wrote:marbles wrote:Couldnt flinders uni & mitchell parks be adel Lutheran's d-grade
how is this the case when...
# MP have lost 9 players in clearances and none of them to Adelaide Lutheran
AND
# FP have lost 8 players in clearances and only 1 of them to adelaide luthies
1 PLAYER TAKEN BY LUTHERANS from both clubs.... wtaf
also all this drama about Mitchell Park, theyve cleared 9 players & gained 2 with 4 pending..... another wtaf! how are they in strife.
Clearance numbers don't tell the whole story, blokes who stop playing by choice or those who are no longer able to play (morell as an example) won't show up on the clearance page. Neither do volunteers.
by Executive Member » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:14 pm
Pag wrote:marbles wrote:The Bedge wrote:marbles wrote:Couldnt flinders uni & mitchell parks be adel Lutheran's d-grade
how is this the case when...
# MP have lost 9 players in clearances and none of them to Adelaide Lutheran
AND
# FP have lost 8 players in clearances and only 1 of them to adelaide luthies
1 PLAYER TAKEN BY LUTHERANS from both clubs.... wtaf
also all this drama about Mitchell Park, theyve cleared 9 players & gained 2 with 4 pending..... another wtaf! how are they in strife.
Clearance numbers don't tell the whole story, blokes who stop playing by choice or those who are no longer able to play (morell as an example) won't show up on the clearance page. Neither do volunteers.
I share morell's sentiments with this. People may have a crack at me when I say Salisbury do not pay players. A few of us senior blokes even started putting some money out of own pockets into a kitty each week to try to attract some guys, but the money we had was never going to be enough to entice anybody. We have fluctuated between Div 3-4 for the past 15 years based off a 'golden generation' of juniors from the late 90s-early 00s who have stuck with the club for nothing (lots have ventured elsewhere for a year or two then come back), but unfortunately that time will soon come to an end and we can only hope the next generation supports the place the way the previous one has (not just with playing, but with volunteering, supporting the bar + kitchen, attending functions regularly etc), otherwise we may end up facing the same fate as Mitchell Park are currently staring at. I can't imagine where we would be right now if our juniors hadn't been as strong as they were for past 20-25 years. And this is from Div 4, not Div 7.
I could never imagine being in town at a nightclub instead of my footy club bar at 8pm on a Saturday night. Unfortunately, those people (morell seems to be in the same boat) are slowly starting to die away. Footy clubs will follow unfortunately.
by scottroo » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:15 pm
by The Bedge » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:15 pm
jo172 wrote:It is an attitude shift that by its nature is going to cause seismic shifts in community sport, particularly when the current generation of volunteers dies out (generally baby-boomers and up).
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by jo172 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:17 pm
morell wrote:. Examples of this can be found all over the place – the best players in Sporting Pulse? Caused huge issues amongst our playing group. Complaints about not making it or being 4th instead of 2nd, absolutely ridiculous stuff, I tried to explain, but it was important to them. Payments? Heck, even average footballers deserve it as they are putting their body on the line, so the club ought to look after them. Forget earning it through awards. They were entitled to it for merely rocking up. Doing a chore for the club? No chance, they do enough of that at home, football is a place to escape nagging, god damnit! But easily the biggest indicator is what happens when it looks like we might not win much. It is unbelievable how quickly people pike out. The modern amateur footballer is a jellyfish, if it’s not going to be “fun” and by fun, of course we mean winning, then they want no part of it. Countless players have said exactly that. They haven’t left, per se, they just don’t want to play because it will be too hard.
by The Bedge » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:17 pm
marbles wrote:guys who cant be bothered doing preseason, and they dont have a dude who is willing to ring them up and tell them to get out to training :)
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by jo172 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:19 pm
Executive Member wrote:Pag wrote:marbles wrote:The Bedge wrote:
how is this the case when...
# MP have lost 9 players in clearances and none of them to Adelaide Lutheran
AND
# FP have lost 8 players in clearances and only 1 of them to adelaide luthies
1 PLAYER TAKEN BY LUTHERANS from both clubs.... wtaf
also all this drama about Mitchell Park, theyve cleared 9 players & gained 2 with 4 pending..... another wtaf! how are they in strife.
Clearance numbers don't tell the whole story, blokes who stop playing by choice or those who are no longer able to play (morell as an example) won't show up on the clearance page. Neither do volunteers.
I share morell's sentiments with this. People may have a crack at me when I say Salisbury do not pay players. A few of us senior blokes even started putting some money out of own pockets into a kitty each week to try to attract some guys, but the money we had was never going to be enough to entice anybody. We have fluctuated between Div 3-4 for the past 15 years based off a 'golden generation' of juniors from the late 90s-early 00s who have stuck with the club for nothing (lots have ventured elsewhere for a year or two then come back), but unfortunately that time will soon come to an end and we can only hope the next generation supports the place the way the previous one has (not just with playing, but with volunteering, supporting the bar + kitchen, attending functions regularly etc), otherwise we may end up facing the same fate as Mitchell Park are currently staring at. I can't imagine where we would be right now if our juniors hadn't been as strong as they were for past 20-25 years. And this is from Div 4, not Div 7.
I could never imagine being in town at a nightclub instead of my footy club bar at 8pm on a Saturday night. Unfortunately, those people (morell seems to be in the same boat) are slowly starting to die away. Footy clubs will follow unfortunately.
It is a real tough one and I think looking back at the past shows what some will need to do to continue to survive
Look at PNU and Goodwood as examples of merging Clubs can actually make the new entity that much stronger
There are some golden opportunities for Clubs to come together and become so much stronger
by The Bedge » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:24 pm
jo172 wrote:I am curious to Morrell's post about players getting shitty at best players on Sporting Pulse.
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by jo172 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:29 pm
The Bedge wrote:jo172 wrote:I am curious to Morrell's post about players getting shitty at best players on Sporting Pulse.
At Ingle Farm, players don't seem to get upset at who is named in the best, however a lot of players in the lower grades seem to only ever come back to the club for preso if they see their name up in lights on Sporting Pulse - ideally I wish we could hide the best players or at least delay putting them in until later Saturday night/Sunday, but unfortunately requirements mean they have to go in straight away.
by marbles » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:29 pm
The Bedge wrote:marbles wrote:guys who cant be bothered doing preseason, and they dont have a dude who is willing to ring them up and tell them to get out to training :)
This bit here makes me SOOOOO wild!!!!
Why the **** should coaches or similar spend week after week chasing players and begging them to get out on the track?! The number of messages and calls i'd make a week is ridiculous!!
How about players get the **** over themselves and get off their arse themselves instead of waiting for someone to chase them like they're something special!
by marbles » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:30 pm
jo172 wrote:The Bedge wrote:jo172 wrote:I am curious to Morrell's post about players getting shitty at best players on Sporting Pulse.
At Ingle Farm, players don't seem to get upset at who is named in the best, however a lot of players in the lower grades seem to only ever come back to the club for preso if they see their name up in lights on Sporting Pulse - ideally I wish we could hide the best players or at least delay putting them in until later Saturday night/Sunday, but unfortunately requirements mean they have to go in straight away.
This blows my mind.
I'm responsible for entering them a half dozen times a year and usually by that time I'm so gassed I put myself first (obviously) and then the first five players I can spot across the bar in that order (don't fine me JK).
No one should be taking anything in Sports Pulse remotely seriously.
by The Bedge » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:32 pm
marbles wrote:The Bedge wrote:marbles wrote:guys who cant be bothered doing preseason, and they dont have a dude who is willing to ring them up and tell them to get out to training :)
This bit here makes me SOOOOO wild!!!!
Why the **** should coaches or similar spend week after week chasing players and begging them to get out on the track?! The number of messages and calls i'd make a week is ridiculous!!
How about players get the **** over themselves and get off their arse themselves instead of waiting for someone to chase them like they're something special!
maybe the previous year the kid had a disappointing year and is still a bit down about it.
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by marbles » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:36 pm
The Bedge wrote:marbles wrote:The Bedge wrote:marbles wrote:guys who cant be bothered doing preseason, and they dont have a dude who is willing to ring them up and tell them to get out to training :)
This bit here makes me SOOOOO wild!!!!
Why the **** should coaches or similar spend week after week chasing players and begging them to get out on the track?! The number of messages and calls i'd make a week is ridiculous!!
How about players get the **** over themselves and get off their arse themselves instead of waiting for someone to chase them like they're something special!
maybe the previous year the kid had a disappointing year and is still a bit down about it.
Now you're surely trying to wind me up?
by Pag » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:38 pm
I'm not completely over junior numbers for each grade mate but I know the U16s are looking at two sides, something we've never had before.beef wrote:Pag wrote:marbles wrote:The Bedge wrote:
how is this the case when...
# MP have lost 9 players in clearances and none of them to Adelaide Lutheran
AND
# FP have lost 8 players in clearances and only 1 of them to adelaide luthies
1 PLAYER TAKEN BY LUTHERANS from both clubs.... wtaf
also all this drama about Mitchell Park, theyve cleared 9 players & gained 2 with 4 pending..... another wtaf! how are they in strife.
Clearance numbers don't tell the whole story, blokes who stop playing by choice or those who are no longer able to play (morell as an example) won't show up on the clearance page. Neither do volunteers.
I share morell's sentiments with this. People may have a crack at me when I say Salisbury do not pay players. A few of us senior blokes even started putting some money out of own pockets into a kitty each week to try to attract some guys, but the money we had was never going to be enough to entice anybody. We have fluctuated between Div 3-4 for the past 15 years based off a 'golden generation' of juniors from the late 90s-early 00s who have stuck with the club for nothing (lots have ventured elsewhere for a year or two then come back), but unfortunately that time will soon come to an end and we can only hope the next generation supports the place the way the previous one has (not just with playing, but with volunteering, supporting the bar + kitchen, attending functions regularly etc), otherwise we may end up facing the same fate as Mitchell Park are currently staring at. I can't imagine where we would be right now if our juniors hadn't been as strong as they were for past 20-25 years. And this is from Div 4, not Div 7.
I could never imagine being in town at a nightclub instead of my footy club bar at 8pm on a Saturday night. Unfortunately, those people (morell seems to be in the same boat) are slowly starting to die away. Footy clubs will follow unfortunately.
Pag you must be concerned about Salisbury's junior numbers this year. Where other clubs seem to have 2 or 3 teams every grade salisbury seem to be struggling to fill sides in every grade.
by Brodlach » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:39 pm
Brodlach wrote:Rory Laird might end up the best IMO, he is an absolute jet. He has been in great form at the Bloods
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