The South Australian Political Landscape

[Jimmy_041]

What deceit? They saw some plans, didn't like them.

You want them to release and tacitly endorse plans they don't actually support?

Former Veterans Affairs Minister Martin Hamilton Smith this morning admitted he believed the Labor Government kept the plans under wraps “because the government didn’t like it (the plans) at all”.

I can see why you don't think its deceit
They kept their plans for the Repat and Noarlunga quiet until after the 2 by-elections last time

[jo172]

What deceit? They saw some plans, didn't like them.

You want them to release and tacitly endorse plans they don't actually support?

But for allowing the sale of the Hospital and DPA to make the plans possible/feasible.

They didn't have to like the plans but their policy positions undoubtedly created the underlying situation that led to the Plans.

Hamilton-Smith and Labor can hardly wash their hands and say nothing to do with us.

[Jimmy_041]

What deceit? They saw some plans, didn't like them.

You want them to release and tacitly endorse plans they don't actually support?

But for allowing the sale of the Hospital and DPA to make the plans possible/feasible.

They didn't have to like the plans but their policy positions undoubtedly created the underlying situation that led to the Plans.

Hamilton-Smith and Labor can hardly wash their hands and say nothing to do with us.

Or maybe release them and say they don't support them
But that would be like releasing other information like, say, cabinet documents to show when you knew about Oakden, or a safety report for nRAH
How fortunate we were that Gillman went to the Supreme Court so we could all see the lies told to us

[heater31]

4 Department chiefs told to clean out their desks this morning.

[Jimmy_041]

4 Department chiefs told to clean out their desks this morning.

Do you reckon this bloke might be $hitting himself?

[morell]

If not releasing plans before they're ready or you're happy with them is deceitful than I've been deceitful my entire career in the public service. As has every Government, ever.

[jo172]

If not releasing plans before they're ready or you're happy with them is deceitful than I've been deceitful my entire career in the public service. As has every Government, ever.

Morrell, they were the developers plans, not the governments.

They were clearly held under wraps for the sole purpose of not further alienating opponents of the sale of the Repat.

[Booney]

There's been a noticeable shift in people's defence/offence strategies in this thread since last Saturday night.

Been interesting to watch.

[morell]

If not releasing plans before they're ready or you're happy with them is deceitful than I've been deceitful my entire career in the public service. As has every Government, ever.

Morrell, they were the developers plans, not the governments.

They were clearly held under wraps for the sole purpose of not further alienating opponents of the sale of the Repat.

Well if they were the developers plans, what responsibility does the Government have to release them?

More than likely the Government contracted a consultant to prepare a master plan? The process for that is iterative in nature. It's not about being deceitful, it's about ensuring peoples wants and needs are considered.

[morell]

What deceit? They saw some plans, didn't like them.

You want them to release and tacitly endorse plans they don't actually support?

But for allowing the sale of the Hospital and DPA to make the plans possible/feasible.

They didn't have to like the plans but their policy positions undoubtedly created the underlying situation that led to the Plans.

Hamilton-Smith and Labor can hardly wash their hands and say nothing to do with us.

Or maybe release them and say they don't support them

and if they did that they'd be naive in the extreme. And foolish.

Have you been involved in the public consultation space before?

[am Bays]

There's been a noticeable shift in people's defence/offence strategies in this thread since last Saturday night.

Been interesting to watch.

Best explanation I can come up with is: Glasnost

[Jimmy_041]

What deceit? They saw some plans, didn't like them.

You want them to release and tacitly endorse plans they don't actually support?

But for allowing the sale of the Hospital and DPA to make the plans possible/feasible.

They didn't have to like the plans but their policy positions undoubtedly created the underlying situation that led to the Plans.

Hamilton-Smith and Labor can hardly wash their hands and say nothing to do with us.

Or maybe release them and say they don't support them

and if they did that they'd be naive in the extreme. And foolish.

Have you been involved in the public consultation space before?

Yes, but I wasn't involved in this one:

https://www.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf ... al-DPA.pdf

So, the Development Plan was changed to allow a wider range of uses for the new owners.
Very convenient. Probably doubled or tripled the price.
Who would have thought we would end up with what they are proposing now?

ACH Group’s vision for renewal of the Repat includes an exciting mixed-use site for the whole community (included but not limited to):
• health and aged care services, including transition care and day hospital services
• both inpatient and outpatient services
• education and training facilities
• accommodation with an emphasis towards supporting the needs of aged persons, retirement living, Veterans, disability and students
• a research and innovation hub
• open, green spaces, gardens and cafes that will be available for the whole community to use
• continued community use of the hydrotherapy pool
• veterans’ services; and
• allied health services including medical imaging, pathology, podiatry, and pharmacy.

Very LTO like. Allow the new owners access to the data and, bingo; 4x the price

But nothing to do with the government is it?????

[am Bays]

Re Mawson if you take Antony Green's word for it most of the remaining votes to count are declarations rather than postals and as such are unlikely to skew Liberal to the same extent as the postals.

Inside word is that of the 1000 odd absentee votes counted today Biggles has done the best

[jo172]

Re Mawson if you take Antony Green's word for it most of the remaining votes to count are declarations rather than postals and as such are unlikely to skew Liberal to the same extent as the postals.

Inside word is that of the 1000 odd absentee votes counted today Biggles has done the best

Electoral Commission has his lead back to 198 votes.

[morell]

But for allowing the sale of the Hospital and DPA to make the plans possible/feasible.

They didn't have to like the plans but their policy positions undoubtedly created the underlying situation that led to the Plans.

Hamilton-Smith and Labor can hardly wash their hands and say nothing to do with us.

Or maybe release them and say they don't support them

and if they did that they'd be naive in the extreme. And foolish.

Have you been involved in the public consultation space before?

Yes, but I wasn't involved in this one:

https://www.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf ... al-DPA.pdf

So, the Development Plan was changed to allow a wider range of uses for the new owners.
Very convenient. Probably doubled or tripled the price.
Who would have thought we would end up with what they are proposing now?

ACH Group’s vision for renewal of the Repat includes an exciting mixed-use site for the whole community (included but not limited to):
• health and aged care services, including transition care and day hospital services
• both inpatient and outpatient services
• education and training facilities
• accommodation with an emphasis towards supporting the needs of aged persons, retirement living, Veterans, disability and students
• a research and innovation hub
• open, green spaces, gardens and cafes that will be available for the whole community to use
• continued community use of the hydrotherapy pool
• veterans’ services; and
• allied health services including medical imaging, pathology, podiatry, and pharmacy.

Very LTO like. Allow the new owners access to the data and, bingo; 4x the price

But nothing to do with the government is it?????

It has everything to do with the Government. I just don't know what your actual problem is. Everything you've said is pretty much standard practice.

[Jimmy_041]

It has everything to do with the Government. I just don't know what your actual problem is. Everything you've said is pretty much standard practice.

It certainly was

[Jimmy_041]

Any thoughts on the ministry?

Chapman - Attorney General?

Lucas - Treasurer (confirmed)

Wingard - Transport?

Spiers - ?

?

?

Tarzia will be given something juicy as reward. Health or police?

How about Speaker?
Mind you, it wouldn’t be hard to do a better job

[jo172]

Any thoughts on the ministry?

Chapman - Attorney General?

Lucas - Treasurer (confirmed)

Wingard - Transport?

Spiers - ?

?

?

Tarzia will be given something juicy as reward. Health or police?

How about Speaker?
Mind you, it wouldn’t be hard to do a better job

Well the test is not sending pornography to female legislators.

What the Labor Right will let people get away with in the name of holding power never ceases to amaze

[stan]

Any thoughts on the ministry?

Chapman - Attorney General?

Lucas - Treasurer (confirmed)

Wingard - Transport?

Spiers - ?

?

?

Tarzia will be given something juicy as reward. Health or police?

How about Speaker?
Mind you, it wouldn’t be hard to do a better job

Well the test is not sending pornography to female legislators.

What the Labor Right will let people get away with in the name of holding power never ceases to amaze

I don't know mate, I have seen some crazy stuff from all sides of politics to hold power. I think our pollies are all good and ethical until it affects there hold on power, then as you said it is amazing what they are allowed to get away with.

[morell]

It has everything to do with the Government. I just don't know what your actual problem is. Everything you've said is pretty much standard practice.

It certainly was

and will continue to be. No matter who is in power at the time, getting master plans right and suitable for public consumption before releasing them is going to continue.

Trust you will be calling the new Liberal Government deceitful when they do the exact same thing.