Port Adelaide 2017

[The Bedge]

What sort of players will Port target in the draft this year? Or look to trade?

With Wingard playing more midfield, does a Menzel look a better fit in the side? Move Impey back down back, get rid of Neade and have Menzel/Wingard as the forward?

Another wing option perhaps?

Does Stringer get consideration by Port?

Can Port even target the draft - they don't get a pick until 29

[Booney]

The middle tier is crap IMO, they had to get Ryder and Dixon, not many times a fringe player comes in and has a"best players" performance.

Their drafting 3-5 years ago was pretty average besides wines. So they have a few list cloggers that still get games

The kids drafted in the last year or two look good though - bonner, spp, Marshall etc. so it may take another couple of years before they can really challenge

Research boys, research.

3-5 years ago = '12-15
Drafted 12 - 7 played Saturday night. 2 are delisted, Austin, Johnson, Atley and Palmer have played AFL, Frampton looks the goods as a ruckman.

Bold played Saturday night, * delisted, Jonas suspended would have been out there.



2010 - Jacobs*, Newton*, Young, O'Shea*, Hitchcock*, Meyer*
2011 - Wingard, Ah Chee, Blee*
2012 - Wines, Clurey, Shaw*, Jonas (up graded)
2013 - Impey, Harvey*, Bryne-Jones, Amon
2014 - Howard, Austin, Palmer, Frampton
2015 - Bonner, Johnson
2016 - Marshall, Powell-Pepper, Atley, Drew

[Booney]

What sort of players will Port target in the draft this year? Or look to trade?

With Wingard playing more midfield, does a Menzel look a better fit in the side? Move Impey back down back, get rid of Neade and have Menzel/Wingard as the forward?

Another wing option perhaps?

Does Stringer get consideration by Port?

Can Port even target the draft - they don't get a pick until 29

Can't see much happening at the trade table.

I think White and Monfries are told to retire/delisted, Young/Ah Chee (Gold Coast for Ah Chee) on the trade table, probably a end of 2nd rounder for Trengove as FA compensation. End up with 3 2nd round picks.

More games into the kids, open up 3 or 4 spots to take some more youth, young squad developing nicely.

[bennymacca]

I think you are proving my point booney. That looks like a pretty average list of draftees tbh. Even a lot of the ones that played have significant question marks over them. (Impey Amon et al)

[Booney]

I think you are proving my point booney. That looks like a pretty average list of draftees tbh. Even a lot of the ones that played have significant question marks over them. (Impey Amon et al)

You bagged the recruiting 3-5 years ago that produced Wines, Clurey, Byrne-Jones and Howard who all played in a final on the weekend, two of them the key defensive posts. Impey and Amon I'll grant are not yet established, plenty of promise though.

Bad recruiting would be all of these on the scrap heap or playing shitty in the SANFL.

[hawks21]

They didn't score for over 60 minutes and our back line wasn't working?

Listen,it was the forwards and midfields kicking at goal and not the defensive unit that let us down. That's it.

Because Port got on top in the midfield and Eagles didn't move the ball quick enough.

Port play a very defensive style of football. Westoff started loose in defensive and the amount of numbers Port get behind the ball always make it difficult for the opposition tall forwards. When teams move the ball quickly it exposes the Port defenders one on one which is a weakness IMO.

Also, i think it's a fair argument that if Trengrove played, he either keeps McGovern accountable (who had 15 marks) or breaks even with one of those tall forwards. Ryder went missing when it counted which didn't help.

In saying that, Port should have won and Dixon should have gone down as one of the best final performances ever!

Please explain? Second only to Adelaide for points for.

Rarely do you have forwards inside your attacking half (Which a lot of port fans have been critical of) and play a sling shot style of football. Plenty of numbers behind the ball, Westoff hasn't had many possessions inside the attacking half for years!
There's no doubting Port can score heavily against the lower sides, but stats prove you struggle to score against the top sides.

[Booney]

Rarely do you have forwards inside your attacking half (Which a lot of port fans have been critical of) and play a sling shot style of football. Plenty of numbers behind the ball, Westoff hasn't had many possessions inside the attacking half for years!
There's no doubting Port can score heavily against the lower sides, but stats prove you struggle to score against the top sides.

Must have played 22 games against the bottom sides this year.

Westhoff has played on the wing all of this year.

Next.

[MW]

Rarely do you have forwards inside your attacking half (Which a lot of port fans have been critical of) and play a sling shot style of football. Plenty of numbers behind the ball, Westoff hasn't had many possessions inside the attacking half for years!
There's no doubting Port can score heavily against the lower sides, but stats prove you struggle to score against the top sides.

Must have played 22 games against the bottom sides this year.

Westhoff has played on the wing all of this year.

Next.

You haven't beaten a top 8 side all year, how can you possibly argue against this?

[Booney]

Rarely do you have forwards inside your attacking half (Which a lot of port fans have been critical of) and play a sling shot style of football. Plenty of numbers behind the ball, Westoff hasn't had many possessions inside the attacking half for years!
There's no doubting Port can score heavily against the lower sides, but stats prove you struggle to score against the top sides.

Must have played 22 games against the bottom sides this year.

Westhoff has played on the wing all of this year.

Next.

You haven't beaten a top 8 side all year, how can you possibly argue against this?

Sydney and West Coast aren't in the 8? Beat Sydney in Sydney, West Coast in Perth.

This'll be an interesting explanation. Please, go on.

[MW]

Everyone was beating Sydney in the first few rounds. WCE were outside the eight when you beat them.
Not an overly interesting explanation sorry.

[Booney]

Everyone was beating Sydney in the first few rounds. WCE were outside the eight when you beat them.
Not an overly interesting explanation sorry.

Oh, so it's a great stat but it's got caveats? I understand.

[The Bedge]

17 point loss to Crows
2 point loss to Geelong
13 point loss to Richmond
31 point loss to GWS

I dont think the Power were that bad this year, they still produced scoring shots against the top sides - just inaccuracy and inefficiency cost them.

[Bum Crack]

Everyone was beating Sydney in the first few rounds. WCE were outside the eight when you beat them.
Not an overly interesting explanation sorry.

Oh, so it's a great stat but it's got caveats? I understand.

Na you still failed to beat a team in the 8 at the time of playing them so no matter how you want to interpret it, you've been useless against the good teams.

[bennymacca]

17 point loss to Crows
2 point loss to Geelong
13 point loss to Richmond
31 point loss to GWS

I dont think the Power were that bad this year, they still produced scoring shots against the top sides - just inaccuracy and inefficiency cost them.

Their game plan seemed to generate a lot of shots from out wide I think.

Port finished about where they should have imo - clearly good enough to play finals, clearly not good enough to take the next step just yet

[The Bedge]

Scoring shots in losses:

23 - 25 v ADL
26 - 32 v GWS
27 - 22 v WCE
24 - 26 v GEE
21 - 36 v ESS
21 - 23 v RICH
20 - 23 v MEL
11 - 40 v ADL
26 - 18 v WCE

[hawks21]

Rarely do you have forwards inside your attacking half (Which a lot of port fans have been critical of) and play a sling shot style of football. Plenty of numbers behind the ball, Westoff hasn't had many possessions inside the attacking half for years!
There's no doubting Port can score heavily against the lower sides, but stats prove you struggle to score against the top sides.

Must have played 22 games against the bottom sides this year.

Westhoff has played on the wing all of this year.

Next.

Wingman don't play loose in defensive every week...

Port averaged 71 points for when they lost and averaged 117 points for when they won games this year.

You missed the original point of the post. Due to a lot of numbers behind the ball each week, Ports defensive held up well. Port needed to find a better balance of attack and defensive, which cost them against the better sides. Dixon closer to goal in one on ones could have kicked 80!

[The Bedge]

Their game plan seemed to generate a lot of shots from out wide I think.

Port finished about where they should have imo - clearly good enough to play finals, clearly not good enough to take the next step just yet

Probably because they didn't have a genuine 2nd tall forward IMO.

I agree, finished where they should, and not ready for the next step.

[Booney]

Everyone was beating Sydney in the first few rounds. WCE were outside the eight when you beat them.
Not an overly interesting explanation sorry.

Oh, so it's a great stat but it's got caveats? I understand.

Na you still failed to beat a team in the 8 at the time of playing them so no matter how you want to interpret it, you've been useless against the good teams.

Sydney in round 1 when nobody is in the 8 but ended up in there at seasons end, West Coast when they weren't in the 8 at the time but ended up in the 8 at seasons end. Caveats*.

[bennymacca]

I wouldn't be hanging my hat on beating west coast booney

[The Bedge]

Na you still failed to beat a team in the 8 at the time of playing them so no matter how you want to interpret it, you've been useless against the good teams.

Sooo sides are only good once they're inside the top 8?

But Port when they're inside said top 8 because they lost to other sides inside the top 8 at the time they were in there are not good?