Riccuito Retires

[devilsadvocate]

Generally speaking, what's your feeling towards the Crows?

Which team do you support?

1. Don't like them
2. The only SA team that will be playing in September!

Seriously though, I just don't think Roo warrants 'champion' status.

He's a great player, and I would love him if he played for Port, but I still wouldn't call him a champion. Just like I don't think Tredders is 'champion' status. Good player, but not a champion.

Champions are few and far between. Roo isn't one of them.

[Dutchy]

agree that the champion tag is handed out too many times

[Hondo]

Ahh ... Port Power supporter

All becomes clear!

[devilsadvocate]

entitled to your opinion DA but the last sentence is incorrect, I sat next to him at a Crows dinner for 4 hours and he was hounded by groupies all night, he handled it beautifully and when you got him alone it was just like chatting to your best mate at the pub....

Fair enough, but still it was at a cows function where 99.9% of players would go out of their way to remain on best bahaviour.
What about away from footy altogether? that's where my comments originated.

OK, I'll stop being a ballbag on here now and let the Cows fans have their moment in the sun! Josh Carr will miss you most Roo!

[Dutchy]

Its a fair point DA, esp as the coach and CEO were on the same table!...but I do also know a couple of blokes who know him well and vouch for his character

[am Bays]

Seriously though, I just don't think Roo warrants 'champion' status.

He's a great player, and I would love him if he played for Port, but I still wouldn't call him a champion. Just like I don't think Tredders is 'champion' status. Good player, but not a champion.

I agree with that.

FWIW IMO Ruccitio isn't the Crows best ever player, the current # 23 is.

[Hondo]

Please not another debate about the use of the terms 'legend', 'champion', 'great'

.... please

The amount of time that gets spent on this site trying to work out which category individual players fall into makes me

[Dutchy]

Please not another debate about the use of the terms 'legend', 'champion', 'great'

.... please

The amount of time that gets spent on this site trying to work out which category individual players fall into makes me

its an individual choice Hondo

[haloman]

Is he the most skillful Crow in our short history........probably not. Is he the most IMPORTANT player we have ever possesed.......absolutely.

That's my point. I said he was a good leader, but he's not in the class of say Hird, Buckley and Voss who are both good leaders and champion players with freakish skills.

Robran, Ebert, Kernahan, Bradley............Riccuto, I personally think his name fits in perfectly with those.

You shoot yourself with this comment. Robran, Ebert, Sticks are classes above Roo. He's not even close to these blokes, and that's my point about SA's best. He's well down the list.

Your spot on there DA..................Only one of those guys listed is an 8 TIME ALL-AUSTRALIAN.
But they were all CHAMPIONS
Entitled to your opinion just a shame it's tarnish by your hatred of the club he has played for with distinction.
I dislike Collingwood but can definatly be unbiased enough to recognise Buckley as a champion.

[devilsadvocate]

Your spot on there DA..................Only one of those guys listed is an 8 TIME ALL-AUSTRALIAN.
But they were all CHAMPIONS
Entitled to your opinion just a shame it's tarnish by your hatred of the club he has played for with distinction.
I dislike Collingwood but can definatly be unbiased enough to recognise Buckley as a champion.

Back in....couldn't help myself.

Do you think I like Collingwood? FFS, I hate Collingwood just as much as the Cows. When the two play, I'd rather the umpires have a victory.

Buckley is a champion player. Brings more to Collongwood than Roo does to the Cows. That's my unbiased opinion as I hate both clubs and players an equal amount. Doesn't mean I don't respect the two as players, I just think one is better than the other.

Sorry for not conforming.

[Psyber]

Your spot on there DA..................Only one of those guys listed is an 8 TIME ALL-AUSTRALIAN.
But they were all CHAMPIONS
Entitled to your opinion just a shame it's tarnish by your hatred of the club he has played for with distinction.
I dislike Collingwood but can definatly be unbiased enough to recognise Buckley as a champion.

Back in....couldn't help myself.

Do you think I like Collingwood? FFS, I hate Collingwood just as much as the Cows. When the two play, I'd rather the umpires have a victory.

Buckley is a champion player. Brings more to Collongwood than Roo does to the Cows. That's my unbiased opinion as I hate both clubs and players an equal amount. Doesn't mean I don't respect the two as players, I just think one is better than the other.

Sorry for not conforming.

As much as I hate to suggest that good players ever came from anywhere but Norwood, especially West or Port, I think Roo has been a great player on par with Hird and Buckley.

[haloman]

Your spot on there DA..................Only one of those guys listed is an 8 TIME ALL-AUSTRALIAN.
But they were all CHAMPIONS
Entitled to your opinion just a shame it's tarnish by your hatred of the club he has played for with distinction.
I dislike Collingwood but can definatly be unbiased enough to recognise Buckley as a champion.

Back in....couldn't help myself.

Do you think I like Collingwood? FFS, I hate Collingwood just as much as the Cows. When the two play, I'd rather the umpires have a victory.

Buckley is a champion player. Brings more to Collongwood than Roo does to the Cows. That's my unbiased opinion as I hate both clubs and players an equal amount. Doesn't mean I don't respect the two as players, I just think one is better than the other.

Sorry for not conforming.

It's not about conforming DA. If you don't think Roo fits champion status then that's your opinion. I do agree the "champion" tag is thrown around to eaisly though. Can't agree with the Brownlow call though. There have been plenty of guys win the brownlow worse than the Roo.
Liberatore, Wynd come to mind...........help me out guy's

[smithy]

At least he hasn't been called a hero yet.

[rod_rooster]

Is he the most skillful Crow in our short history........probably not. Is he the most IMPORTANT player we have ever possesed.......absolutely.

That's my point. I said he was a good leader, but he's not in the class of say Hird, Buckley and Voss who are both good leaders and champion players with freakish skills.

Robran, Ebert, Kernahan, Bradley............Riccuto, I personally think his name fits in perfectly with those.

You shoot yourself with this comment. Robran, Ebert, Sticks are classes above Roo. He's not even close to these blokes, and that's my point about SA's best. He's well down the list.

Your spot on there DA..................Only one of those guys listed is an 8 TIME ALL-AUSTRALIAN.
But they were all CHAMPIONS
Entitled to your opinion just a shame it's tarnish by your hatred of the club he has played for with distinction.
I dislike Collingwood but can definatly be unbiased enough to recognise Buckley as a champion.

If you are using the All Australian awards Ricuttio has been awarded to compare him to players of a past era it just proves your ignorance. Be like saying Ken Farmer never won a Coleman medal so Modra was the better player of the two. Ricuttio was a very very good player but don't let the emotion of a guy retiring after attempting to play one too many seasons sweep you into ridiculous statements suggesting he is in the same category as a Robran or an Ebert.

1980TM regarding the current #23, spot on.

[devilsadvocate]

If you are using the All Australian awards Ricuttio has been awarded to compare him to players of a past era it just proves your ignorance. Be like saying Ken Farmer never won a Coleman medal so Modra was the better player of the two. Ricuttio was a very very good player but don't let the emotion of a guy retiring after attempting to play one too many seasons sweep you into ridiculous statements suggesting he is in the same category as a Robran or an Ebert.

1980TM regarding the current #23, spot on.

Thankyou!!!

I also agree that McLeod is a better player.

[haloman]

Is he the most skillful Crow in our short history........probably not. Is he the most IMPORTANT player we have ever possesed.......absolutely.

That's my point. I said he was a good leader, but he's not in the class of say Hird, Buckley and Voss who are both good leaders and champion players with freakish skills.

Robran, Ebert, Kernahan, Bradley............Riccuto, I personally think his name fits in perfectly with those.

You shoot yourself with this comment. Robran, Ebert, Sticks are classes above Roo. He's not even close to these blokes, and that's my point about SA's best. He's well down the list.

Your spot on there DA..................Only one of those guys listed is an 8 TIME ALL-AUSTRALIAN.
But they were all CHAMPIONS
Entitled to your opinion just a shame it's tarnish by your hatred of the club he has played for with distinction.
I dislike Collingwood but can definatly be unbiased enough to recognise Buckley as a champion.

If you are using the All Australian awards Ricuttio has been awarded to compare him to players of a past era it just proves your ignorance. Be like saying Ken Farmer never won a Coleman medal so Modra was the better player of the two. Ricuttio was a very very good player but don't let the emotion of a guy retiring after attempting to play one too many seasons sweep you into ridiculous statements suggesting he is in the same category as a Robran or an Ebert.

1980TM regarding the current #23, spot on.

Ignorance????? You can't even spell the man's name correctly and your calling me ignorant! There is no way you can compare players of yester year to todays footballers. We all know today's footballers are athlete's first, footballers second. Your would be right if you said players such as Robran and Ebert were had better skills but don't give me that "He's not in their catagory" rubbish. What he bought to the Adelaide Football Club can't just be measured in All-Australian jumpers or Brownlow medals........the same as legands like Sticks, Ebert and Robran. If Robran hadn't had his knee ruined by bloody Lee Mathews on the SCG he would probably be remembered as the greatest of all time. NO ONE sits in that catagory along side him. Roo has EARNT the right to take a high standing along side the games greats IMO. His carear speaks for itself. You could see his club lift every time the man stepped on the park. You could watch the man perform acts of courage and skill only true champions can perform. I'll say it again...........football is a very different sport now to what it was when the likes of Robran and Ebert graced Prospect and Alberton. But give the man his dues and don't underestimate his influence on the Adelaide Football Club and what it means to supporters like me who would drive 7 hours just to watch the man play. Sometimes I reckon people confuse skillfulness with greatness. Another "ridiculous" statement I suppose Rod.

[Dogwatcher]

Was speaking to someone in the Riverland who does know his stuff. He might have been stuck in the moment of Roo's retirement and I wonder if he'll think better of this statement later on, but....

"I think Roo's the best player to come out of the Riverland."

Ahead of Russell Ebert, Neil Kerley, Tony Modra, Bruce Lindner and Grantley Fielke.

[Hondo]

Was speaking to someone in the Riverland who does know his stuff. He might have been stuck in the moment of Roo's retirement and I wonder if he'll think better of this statement later on, but....

"I think Roo's the best player to come out of the Riverland."

Ahead of Russell Ebert, Neil Kerley, Tony Modra, Bruce Lindner and Grantley Fielke.

Definitely ahead of the last 3

All played for the Crows and only Modra has come up so far in the 'greatest Crows player' discussions

All 3 great players tho

That's why I hate this compulsion to rank and label players

[Psyber]

Was speaking to someone in the Riverland who does know his stuff. He might have been stuck in the moment of Roo's retirement and I wonder if he'll think better of this statement later on, but.... "I think Roo's the best player to come out of the Riverland."

Ahead of Russell Ebert, Neil Kerley, Tony Modra, Bruce Lindner and Grantley Fielke.

Definitely ahead of the last 3
All played for the Crows and only Modra has come up so far in the 'greatest Crows player' discussions
All 3 great players tho
That's why I hate this compulsion to rank and label players

I saw Neil Kerley play. I'd rate Roo higher for skill than Kerley, who was only better at things like the elbow to the face! He was the only player Bill Wedding ever took a punch at.

Russel Ebert, Barry Robran, and Lindsay Head, I'd rate as the top 3 for pure skill. Gary Mcintosh and Michael Aish would then be close along with Roo.

[rod_rooster]

Ignorance????? You can't even spell the man's name correctly and your calling me ignorant! There is no way you can compare players of yester year to todays footballers. We all know today's footballers are athlete's first, footballers second. Your would be right if you said players such as Robran and Ebert were had better skills but don't give me that "He's not in their catagory" rubbish. What he bought to the Adelaide Football Club can't just be measured in All-Australian jumpers or Brownlow medals........the same as legands like Sticks, Ebert and Robran. If Robran hadn't had his knee ruined by bloody Lee Mathews on the SCG he would probably be remembered as the greatest of all time. NO ONE sits in that catagory along side him. Roo has EARNT the right to take a high standing along side the games greats IMO. His carear speaks for itself. You could see his club lift every time the man stepped on the park. You could watch the man perform acts of courage and skill only true champions can perform. I'll say it again...........football is a very different sport now to what it was when the likes of Robran and Ebert graced Prospect and Alberton. But give the man his dues and don't underestimate his influence on the Adelaide Football Club and what it means to supporters like me who would drive 7 hours just to watch the man play. Sometimes I reckon people confuse skillfulness with greatness. Another "ridiculous" statement I suppose Rod.

Mate if you're going to open a post siting the spelling of a players name incorrectly is a sign of ignorance it would pay to ensure you get them all correct yourself. Might also pay to use a spell check and grammar check feature for the rest of your post as well Before you have a crack at me you were the one who brought spelling into this.

As for the rest, sure he was an important player and yes he is very high on the list of players who have played for the Crows but that does not make him an all time great. For importance to the Crows over the years put it in perspective. They've won two flags. Without McLeod, Jarman or Hart they wouldn't have been able to win either. They won one of them without Ricuttio in the team and had he not played in the other i doubt it would have made any difference. I'd say those 3 have been more valuable to the Adelaide Football Club personally. Just my opinion though and you don't have to agree with it.