Port Adelaide 2017

[The Bedge]

Give Eddy a game FFS - not just a game, but an extended opportunity!

Frustrates me listening to the commentary Sat night and they keep talking about Port having no targets or options up forward, when you've got a ready made full forward sitting in the SANFL.

[Jim05]

How long before Atley gets a gig?

[Booney]

How long before Atley gets a gig?

Should have been in two weeks ago in my mind, however he's an inside mid so the job Wines, Ebert, SPP and Wingard are doing at the moment might make it hard for him to crack into the line up.

With some time under his belt I'd like to think he can come in to push Wingard forward and we have Wingard and Gray I50 with runs through the midfield as needed.

[Jim05]

How long before Atley gets a gig?

Should have been in two weeks ago in my mind, however he's an inside mid so the job Wines, Ebert, SPP and Wingard are doing at the moment might make it hard for him to crack into the line up.

With some time under his belt I'd like to think he can come in to push Wingard forward and we have Wingard and Gray I50 with runs through the midfield as needed.

Can play a forward role aswell can't he. Seem to remember him dominating the goal kicking tests at draft camp. Got to better value than Neade

[morell]

If you think about it, Hinkley has prioritised flexibility over output. Of all the players, who is actually playing in their best position? And how many are playing in a makeshift role?

Trengove - playing forward, actually a defender
Boak - playing as a forward flanker, actually an inside midfielder
Wingard - playing as an inside midfilder, actually a forward flanker
R.Gray - playing as a full forward, actually a pocket/mid
S.Gray - playing as a forward flanker, actually a midfielder
Westhoff - playing as a wingman, actually a third tall forward
Ebert - playing as a tagger/wingman, actually an inside midfielder
Hartlett - playing as a half back flanker, actually a forward flanker
Neade - playing as an AFL footballer, actually an SANFL footballer

We have literally half a side, being played out of position. All because they're out of form or not good enough in their primary role, so hes shoe horned them elsewhere. Happy to look at players in different roles during pre season and maybe even try them in games to mix it up - but we *start* this way. And stick with it when its not working!

If Boak isn't in the best midfield group - don't ******* play him. If Hartlett isn't in the best forward line group - don't ******* play him. We play "names" ahead of output. We have no respect for structure. We're playing a mosquito fleet equivalent of dutch total football mixed in with Chocco era gold passes.

We will not beat a reasonable side until the above is addressed.

Does Ken have the balls?

[MW]

If you think about it, Hinkley has prioritised flexibility over output. Of all the players, who is actually playing in their best position? And how many are playing in a makeshift role?

Trengove - playing forward, actually a defender Agree
Boak - playing as a forward flanker, actually an inside midfielder Who do you take out?
Wingard - playing as an inside midfilder, actually a forward flanker Proving to be a better mid than forward
R.Gray - playing as a full forward, actually a pocket/mid Proving to be a better forward than mid
S.Gray - playing as a forward flanker, actually a midfielder meh
Westhoff - playing as a wingman, actually a third tall forward Who will you use in his role on a wing? He plays a similar role to T.Lynch right?
Ebert - playing as a tagger/wingman, actually an inside midfielder Yep, he should be winning his own ball inside, but again what do you do with the others who are playing that role?
Hartlett - playing as a half back flanker, actually a forward flanker Does he push forward or stay back on an opponent? He is not very accountable.
Neade - playing as an AFL footballer, actually an SANFL footballer Agree

We have literally half a side, being played out of position. All because they're out of form or not good enough in their primary role, so hes shoe horned them elsewhere. Happy to look at players in different roles during pre season and maybe even try them in games to mix it up - but we *start* this way. And stick with it when its not working!

If Boak isn't in the best midfield group - don't ******* play him. If Hartlett isn't in the best forward line group - don't ******* play him. We play "names" ahead of output. We have no respect for structure. We're playing a mosquito fleet equivalent of dutch total football mixed in with Chocco era gold passes.

We will not beat a reasonable side until the above is addressed.

Does Ken have the balls?

[Booney]

If you think about it, Hinkley has prioritised flexibility over output. Of all the players, who is actually playing in their best position? And how many are playing in a makeshift role?

Trengove - playing forward, actually a defender
Boak - playing as a forward flanker, actually an inside midfielder
Wingard - playing as an inside midfilder, actually a forward flanker
R.Gray - playing as a full forward, actually a pocket/mid
S.Gray - playing as a forward flanker, actually a midfielder
Westhoff - playing as a wingman, actually a third tall forward
Ebert - playing as a tagger/wingman, actually an inside midfielder
Hartlett - playing as a half back flanker, actually a forward flanker

Can't totally agree as pretty much anyone who is half forward / back is part of the midfield rotation, well at least part of the midfield as they all travel up and down the place.

Trengove I 100% agree with, however having him forward allows him to back up Ryder so Dixon doesn't have to.
Boak I'm worried how he's being used, he's no longer one of our first picked.
Wingard is working a treat where he is. Can't agree.
R.Gray the same. Can't agree.
S.Gray would be as close to 50/50 as any small fwd / mid. Can't agree.
Westhoff should be the closest to goal, IMO, with Dixon doing the lead up. Agreed.
Why would you even question Ebert's role? I think you've got this monumentally wrong, he is our best run with player without question.
Hartlett should, IMO, be on the wing.

[morell]

I am not saying some of those players aren't performing well in those roles, I am saying that them playing there is detrimental to the overall team structure and our scoring capability.

For example, I would prefer Wingard gets 20 touches, kicks 3 and sets up 3 than his 40 disposal 0 goal game on Saturday - not because I dont think he played well, he did, he was our BoG, but more specifically because we really lack goal kicking threats up forward but aren't at all lacking for midfielders who can find it.

Say Wingard is a 8/10 midfielder, and a 9/10 forward flanker. And Boak is a 7/10 midfielder and a 5/10 forward flanker... 7 + 9 > 8 + 5

A simple argument, but logical. Play players in their best position and stop finding roles for them elsewhere when they don't perform - drop them for the bloke you think is going to provide more in that role.

The other thing is we continually pick sides and then implement a game style which doesn't match the demographics of that side!! We had a teeny tiny forward line on Saturday. OK, fine, I wouldn't pick it that way but since we did, you'd think we'd either go flat out and run the ball or make sure we lower the eyes, hit short targets, move the ball around a bit, find some space...

Nah nah, bomb it in! to R.Gray on Rance or Dixon on Astbury, Rance and some other **** or Sam Gray (5ft 2) on Dylan Grimes (6ft 4)

So frustrating as you'll never convince me Richmond have more talent than Port. We just have a stubborn coaches box and an inability to admit that our methodology isn't going to work against sides that are willing to work hard defensively.

[morell]

Get Trengove, Neade, S.Gray and Boak out of the forward line and replace them with actual goal kickers, in a nutshell.

67 inside 50s for 8 goals is laughable.

[amber_fluid]

Give Eddy a game FFS - not just a game, but an extended opportunity!

Frustrates me listening to the commentary Sat night and they keep talking about Port having no targets or options up forward, when you've got a ready made full forward sitting in the SANFL.

F*ck Westhoff off and bring in Eddy.
Eddy plays as the stay home or lead out forward and Dixon goes out to CHF and uses his bulk and strength.

Not that hard Kenny, it's really not that hard!

[Booney]

Give Eddy a game FFS - not just a game, but an extended opportunity!

Frustrates me listening to the commentary Sat night and they keep talking about Port having no targets or options up forward, when you've got a ready made full forward sitting in the SANFL.

F*ck Westhoff off and bring in Eddy.
Eddy plays as the stay home or lead out forward and Dixon goes out to CHF and uses his bulk and strength.

Not that hard Kenny, it's really not that hard!

There's a reason it took Eddy until he was 27 to get on an AFL list....

[amber_fluid]

Give Eddy a game FFS - not just a game, but an extended opportunity!

Frustrates me listening to the commentary Sat night and they keep talking about Port having no targets or options up forward, when you've got a ready made full forward sitting in the SANFL.

F*ck Westhoff off and bring in Eddy.
Eddy plays as the stay home or lead out forward and Dixon goes out to CHF and uses his bulk and strength.

Not that hard Kenny, it's really not that hard!

There's a reason it took Eddy until he was 27 to get on an AFL list....

Why list him if you have no intentions to play him?
Now I know you'll say it was purely for a backup if a forward was injured........ but surely Kenny has to make some changes?

They were pathetic Saturday night!

[Booney]

Might want to weigh a few things up, like the pressure the Richmond small forwards put on our runners from defence, this gave the midfield of Richmond time to get back and block space. Several times I noted before we even got out of the D50 they had set up very well behind the ball.

They also use those small forward to push right up the ground and fill up your F50 when you have the ball in the middle or forward.The mids then fall back into the D50 for them. R50 - they had 5 blokes with 6 or more, Port had one with 5. Shows they had numbers deep and got us on the way out. A look at the match heat maps will show that the bulk of their possessions were right in the middle / on the wings, the bulk of ours was inside our F50, but a cramped one with lots of numbers back. No space or time. They played it well.

Eddy was always going to be insurance, nothing more. His defensive side is ok, but he's just not quick enough or agile enough to play full time as an AFL key forward. He's a natural forward, reads the ball well and knows how to kick goals, but I don't see him playing all too much with us.

[morell]

Might want to weigh a few things up, like the pressure the Richmond small forwards put on our runners from defence, this gave the midfield of Richmond time to get back and block space. Several times I noted before we even got out of the D50 they had set up very well behind the ball.

They also use those small forward to push right up the ground and fill up your F50 when you have the ball in the middle or forward.The mids then fall back into the D50 for them. R50 - they had 5 blokes with 6 or more, Port had one with 5. Shows they had numbers deep and got us on the way out. A look at the match heat maps will show that the bulk of their possessions were right in the middle / on the wings, the bulk of ours was inside our F50, but a cramped one with lots of numbers back. No space or time. They played it well.

Absolutely. They executed their methods perfectly.

Eddy .... He's a natural forward, reads the ball well and knows how to kick goals, but I don't see him playing all too much with us.

hahaha exactly. No time for a natural forward who kicks goals in this caper.

We're in a tyre pumping up competition right? Where "pressure" is the metric used to determine the score?

[Booney]

Eddy .... He's a natural forward, reads the ball well and knows how to kick goals, but I don't see him playing all too much with us.

hahaha exactly. No time for a natural forward who kicks goals in this caper.

We're in a tyre pumping up competition right? Where "pressure" is the metric used to determine the score?

Natural forward? Yep. Knows how to kick goals? Yep. Capable of doing it at AFL standard? No. That's why he was loafing around at Noarlunga for four years before we needed some insurance. No other club looked at him....wonder why? ( Hint - see bold )

[human_torpedo]

It is quite funny what football has become when a side who had 67 F50 entries for 8 goals has a 'Natural forward who reads the play well and knows how to kick goals' in the twos and seems to be dismissed as the answer to converting F50 entries to goals.. I don't really know whether he should play or not, but when you read that line on face value, it is quite amusing

[amber_fluid]

Eddy .... He's a natural forward, reads the ball well and knows how to kick goals, but I don't see him playing all too much with us.

hahaha exactly. No time for a natural forward who kicks goals in this caper.

We're in a tyre pumping up competition right? Where "pressure" is the metric used to determine the score?

Natural forward? Yep. Knows how to kick goals? Yep. Capable of doing it at AFL standard? No. That's why he was loafing around at Noarlunga for four years before we needed some insurance. No other club looked at him....wonder why? ( Hint - see bold )

No one else looked at Ken either!
Last man standing and all that............

[Booney]

It is quite funny what football has become when a side who had 67 F50 entries for 8 goals has a 'Natural forward who reads the play well and knows how to kick goals' in the twos and seems to be dismissed as the answer to converting F50 entries to goals.. I don't really know whether he should play or not, but when you read that line on face value, it is quite amusing

I actually wrote :

Eddy was always going to be insurance, nothing more. His defensive side is ok, but he's just not quick enough or agile enough to play full time as an AFL key forward. He's a natural forward, reads the ball well and knows how to kick goals, but I don't see him playing all too much with us.

The bloke who kicked 200 in the Tassie League last year would also be called a natural forward who knows how to kick goals.

[Booney]

Eddy .... He's a natural forward, reads the ball well and knows how to kick goals, but I don't see him playing all too much with us.

hahaha exactly. No time for a natural forward who kicks goals in this caper.

We're in a tyre pumping up competition right? Where "pressure" is the metric used to determine the score?

Natural forward? Yep. Knows how to kick goals? Yep. Capable of doing it at AFL standard? No. That's why he was loafing around at Noarlunga for four years before we needed some insurance. No other club looked at him....wonder why? ( Hint - see bold )

No one else looked at Ken either!
Last man standing and all that............

Even your attempt at good trolls are shit.

I doubt Fagan was the Lions first choice etc etc etc

[amber_fluid]

Don't be so precious Boon.
He'll be gone by years end anyway..........