Why Dutchy has gone quiet on the DOOM theory

[Rik E Boy]

Check out the Roos run home to the finals. All four to be played at Telstra Dome.

Round 19, Sunday, August 12: West Coast (Telstra Dome) 1:10pm
Round 20, Sunday, August 19: Geelong (Telstra Dome) 2:10pm
Round 21, Saturday, August 25: Carlton (Telstra Dome) 2:10pm
Round 22, Sunday, September 2: Western Bulldogs (Telstra Dome) 2:10pm

Little wonder then that our resident Rooboy has gone a bit quiet on the DOOM theory. By this (successful btw) theory, this run home would suggest that the Roos are about to fade away faster than a fart on a windy day.....

regards,

REB

[Dirko]

LOL ! The Roos should win two of those...one against my mob and they should get the Doggies...

[Wedgie]

I think he's gone quiet on it as recently there's been teams playing each other who are coming off a run at the DOOM.

[mighty_tiger_79]

i dont believe he has gone quiet at all on the DOOM theory, its just there havent been many games that make the requirements

im guessing he will be betting against the roos in there last 2 games provided the opposition havent also played at the doom the previous week

[mal]

REB
DUTCHY has given his DOOM system in advance
and its showing a profit and the results proving his thesis is on the right track.

In case nobody believes Dutchy about the DOOM
Why is it players that talk about ground surfaces are nearly always talking about the DOOM

Has anyone bothered to check out the last half stats on the DOOM residents ?
A very disturbing trend.

[Hondo]

Would they ever sacrifice the car park for a decent playing surface?

[Dutchy]

nice to get back from up North and find this topic up top again!

Yes REB ths was noted before the season started in my DOOM bet, so far this season i have 355 reasons to be happy with my system, there was 2 teams to fade last round and they played each other so no system bets last week...

This week Im back with 2 more bets, fade the Saints and Bullies and yes in the last 2 rounds Ill be fading the Roos (i.e. backing the Blues and Bullies) I am very concerned about our draw and the 1st week of the finals can only hope we get the double chance so we can have a week off the DOOM

Even if every system bet loses from here on in the system will show a profit, Im looking forward to delving through all the data Ive collected this year in the off season to work out a few more systems for 2008!, bet you cant wait REB!!!!

[mal]

Good work Dutchy
Ive been using a very similar DOOM system for the last 3 years
And yes showed a profit each season

[am Bays]

Good work Dutchy
Ive been using a very similar DOOM system for the last 3 years
And yes showed a profit each season

Ya da ya da ya da recovery, modify training, periodisation, peaking, monitor player workloads..ya da ya da ya da.....

[mal]

Good work Dutchy
Ive been using a very similar DOOM system for the last 3 years
And yes showed a profit each season

Ya da ya da ya da recovery, modify training, periodisation, peaking, monitor player workloads..ya da ya da ya da.....

AND why should 3 of the 13 teams in the comp have to
recovery,modify training,periodisation, peaking, monitor player workloads
Even if your right your wronggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

Explain the consistent last half fade outs of WB/SK/KA this year

YA DA YA DA YA DA

[am Bays]

Good work Dutchy
Ive been using a very similar DOOM system for the last 3 years
And yes showed a profit each season

Ya da ya da ya da recovery, modify training, periodisation, peaking, monitor player workloads..ya da ya da ya da.....

AND why should 3 of the 13 teams in the comp have to
recovery,modify training,periodisation, peaking, monitor player workloads
Even if your right your wronggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

Explain the consistent last half fade outs of WB/SK/KA this year

YA DA YA DA YA DA

Can I have my hook back please.......

[Dutchy]

Tassie Id be interested in your thoughts?

[Rik E Boy]

Don't get me wrong. I'm a believer in the DOOM theory (it's helped my lamentable tippping), this thread is more about how Dutchy's beloved Roos will cope with the run home..in other words, what shape will the Kangas be in for week one of the finals? They need to win at least one of the next two I reckon. Drop em both and it might be an elimination final after FOUR weeks in a row at the DOOM!

That might spell DOOM for a team that has been training for this year since October of last year.

regards,

REB

[am Bays]

Tassie Id be interested in your thoughts?

As I've said before there are ways and means of allievating the effects of palying on the doom, it is different playing on it, I found that out in 2001 when I was trying to train kids who had played at docklands with the NT side, they definately took longer to recover (felt sorer in the legs after playing on Colonial stadium compared to games at the G).

BUT there has been lots of work done on recovery over the last 10 years to the point that a lot of work now is done on freshening up players throughout the competition phase rather than work them to get fitter). The still do the work but more of an emphasis now is done on making players "feeling fit" rather than being "physically fit"

Some Rugby clubs in England actually fly there players to eastern europe and theire recovery session is 2 mins in a cryochamber at -50 degC and then 1 min at -100 deg C. None of this wading in st Vincent Gulf or Port Phillip bay for them!!! Heard that first hand from the AIS recovery scientist who has seen it happen.

So if club are switched on after playing at the Doom, they will do a proper recoovery session i.e. players wade out chest deep not thigh deep as you see them on teh TV in the sea (the hip extensors and flexors do the most work during any "field invasion game" so if your not chest deep your are not allowing those muscles the proper opportunity to get the benefit of thecryogenic effects of sea water ~ 7 to 10 deg C.

Also when in the water they need to be moving not stationary as the movement of the legs promotes venous return.

Other things clubs can do is massage, recovery foods and drinks (lots of work being done on Mg++ and its potential benefits on recovery (don't ask me 10 years since I've studied 2nd year Biochem).

The other factor is modify and lighten up training. Seriously hom much fitter are players going to get by doing 20% extra work, Lighten up do some tactical drills rather than fitness orientated drills, shorten training. Iin a periodised training program what is the diiference between modifying training for playing at the doom compared to having to travel back from Perth, versus playing on a heavy MCG vs fatigue from a 10 game slog from April to June??

Clubs are always modifying training so and their is a bevy of training modalities and ergogenic aids (an ergogenic aid is anything that helps you perform work - coaching/training is an ergogenic aid it is not necesaruily a banned biochemical substance ) to insure players are being optimally overloaded to maintain or improve fitness but at the same time recovey from playing on different surfaces.

Change the mode of trainiing to take players off their legs - pool work or ergo work as opposed to running on the training track.

The other thing is don't talk about it. When the Crows first started their was a big hoo ha about travel. Always mentioned in the paper (Crows travel hoodoo), the club used to try different things all the time to overcome it and would consult the players but by mentioning it all the time it became a self defeating proficey. The club has become one of teh best travellers by letting teh palyers do their own thing and by letting it become a normative behaviour. In other words don't mention it or at least don't make an issue about it, in times clubs will develop what works for them to over come the effects of playing at Docklands.

The bottom line is you must know your athletes and individually adapt their preparation to insure maximum performance, taking into consideration what they have done in the past and what they need to do.....

[Rik E Boy]

Hey Tassie. Dyslexia lures KO. LOL.

regards,

REB

[Dutchy]

geez, way too many big words for me in there Tassie, I think you raise a good point though, there is still plenty of work clubs need to do to improve recovery....I know its a different sport but Baseballers play 6 games a week, NBA teams regularly play 5 games a week, soccer clubs can play 3 times a week....I lot could be learnt from these sports, not to mention AFL players not hitting the turps for the first 72 hours after a game!....there needs to be a massive culture change for this to occur though

[mal]

TASSIE no one disputes what your saying about training and recovery
What I am concerned about is why should some clubs have to refine
training methods because they play on the DOOM
If SK/WB/KA need to modify, that leaves HW/CO/CA/GE/ES/RI/ML with an advantage

What the DUTCHYDOOM system shows in its infancy is that sides playing weeks
in a row at this venue seem to struggle, particularly the non residents.

TASSIE lets put some perspective into the arguments
DALSANTO plays on the DOOM , but as you say with modification can be at his peak the next game
MITCHELL plays at the MCG and rolls up at training and business as usual
IS THAT FAIR ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I can remember coping a lot of flack over SK in thier last finals the last 2 years
They were in winning positions and lost 2 years in a row
v SS when the swans massacred them in the last qtr in 2005
v ML last year when SK led comfortably most of the game to be overun in the last qtr by ML

Some people say choke, weak spirited etc[cant deny that on face value]
Could we allow some leeway to being a spent force after many DOOM games leading to finals ?

[am Bays]

TASSIE no one disputes what your saying about training and recovery
What I am concerned about is why should some clubs have to refine
training methods because they play on the DOOM
If SK/WB/KA need to modify, that leaves HW/CO/CA/GE/ES/RI/ML with an advantage

My final points is that clubs are ALWAYS modifying their training regimes. Why should it be any different to change a training program after they have played a a brace of games at the doom.....???

Smart clubs get on with it and adapt, weak clubs and dare I say it supporters moan about it.....

Every club has inequities (of their own or the leagues doing) placed against them it is how you manage those inequities that dicates how well you perform with respect to W/L

You can look back and winge or you can be proactive and do something about becasue there are solutions all teh different factors that effect team sport performace. successfull clubs come up with solutions to those factors....

One of the biggest cultural shifts you have to understand about elite sport is that it isn't fair, but it does have opportunities. Success in high performancne sport comes when opportunity and preparation coincide.

Smart coaches and athletes realise that and adapt

[mal]

The AFL in its infinite wisdom has created an equal opportunities competition
The Draft is designed to equalise the teams as much as possible
With this philosphy I will announce my latest ingenuity

THE DOOM DRAFT
-----------------
The DOOM draft means the bottom VIC sides play there less often
and the top VIC teams play there more often
Let all VIC clubs suffer.....
Make the top Interstate clubs play more games at the DOOM
Make the lower placed Interstate clubs paly more games at the MCG
Let all Interstate clubs suffer....

Yeah yeah a stupid idea by me....BUT FAIR

[Hondo]

I lot could be learnt from these sports, not to mention AFL players not hitting the turps for the first 72 hours after a game!....there needs to be a massive culture change for this to occur though

Agree 100%

I never understand why eilite footballers continue to do that in-season when preparation is all important and becoming more so all the time. That extra 1% from proper sleep & diet during the week could be the difference in the following week's game yet culturally they seem a way off where they should be.