by Mythical Creature » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:50 pm
by Corona Man » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:21 pm
by bennymacca » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:27 pm
by shoe boy » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:33 pm
by Lightning McQueen » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:56 pm
Corona Man wrote:I've not voted yet, as I can't split I Chappell & M Taylor.....
I am older enough to remember him (I Chappell) playing, and captaining the team, although I was very young. To be honest I can only judge him on what he & others have said about his time as captain. He had a certain way of motivating his team/s in that era. He also had at his disposal some damn fine players.
I am not a fan of the way Taylor played, nor of his persona, but his captaincy was top shelf. Again he had some fine players at his disposal, Mc Grath, Gillespie, B Lee & Warne... with that attack you are going to get the 20 wickets to win a game more time than not.
Got me thinking.... does the captain make the team.... or does the team make the captain?
For me it's a combination of both....
by Lightning McQueen » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:00 pm
bennymacca wrote:I think this is a somewhat fruitless exercise, as the fortunes of the captain are inextricably linked to their performances as a cricketer, and also the calibre of their teammates.
Taylor and Steve Waugh might have been great captains, but lets be honest, they didn't have to be - shit, things are going downhill, better put warne and one end and mcgrath at the other, problem solved. Having a full batting lineup of guys averaging mid 40s and above also helps.
I think how a captain handles themselves in the worst of times shows how good a leader they are, and I respect clarke immensely for the way he handled the Phil Hughes tragedy. Anyone trying to pot shot him now just reeks of sour grapes.
It was slightly before my time, but it seems Border was also one that through his sheer iron will managed to drag australian cricket off the canvass and into a better era - but once again he is also defined by the players around him, and If you interchanged Waugh and Border you would probably say the opposite things about them, if that makes sense.
Its a bit like comparing batsmen or bowlers across eras - it is just so hard to do
by Lightning McQueen » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:00 pm
shoe boy wrote:AB for me taking over sooky lar lar Hughes.
AB 156 tests with average of 50.56 and Captain of 93 consecutive games in an era when the Windies put everyone to the sword still rate AB the finest cricketer they (GARNER/MARSHELL/HOLDING) played against.
by bennymacca » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:04 pm
Lightning McQueen wrote:bennymacca wrote:I think this is a somewhat fruitless exercise, as the fortunes of the captain are inextricably linked to their performances as a cricketer, and also the calibre of their teammates.
Taylor and Steve Waugh might have been great captains, but lets be honest, they didn't have to be - shit, things are going downhill, better put warne and one end and mcgrath at the other, problem solved. Having a full batting lineup of guys averaging mid 40s and above also helps.
I think how a captain handles themselves in the worst of times shows how good a leader they are, and I respect clarke immensely for the way he handled the Phil Hughes tragedy. Anyone trying to pot shot him now just reeks of sour grapes.
It was slightly before my time, but it seems Border was also one that through his sheer iron will managed to drag australian cricket off the canvass and into a better era - but once again he is also defined by the players around him, and If you interchanged Waugh and Border you would probably say the opposite things about them, if that makes sense.
Its a bit like comparing batsmen or bowlers across eras - it is just so hard to do
A good captain extracts excellence from all of his players, I've been involved in at least 10 premierships but probably only once we had the best side in the comp.
by Lightning McQueen » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:09 pm
by FlyingHigh » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:44 pm
Corona Man wrote:I've not voted yet, as I can't split I Chappell & M Taylor.....
I am older enough to remember him (I Chappell) playing, and captaining the team, although I was very young. To be honest I can only judge him on what he & others have said about his time as captain. He had a certain way of motivating his team/s in that era. He also had at his disposal some damn fine players.
I am not a fan of the way Taylor played, nor of his persona, but his captaincy was top shelf. Again he had some fine players at his disposal, Mc Grath, Gillespie, B Lee & Warne... with that attack you are going to get the 20 wickets to win a game more time than not.
Got me thinking.... does the captain make the team.... or does the team make the captain?
For me it's a combination of both....
by whufc » Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:44 pm
bennymacca wrote:I think this is a somewhat fruitless exercise, as the fortunes of the captain are inextricably linked to their performances as a cricketer, and also the calibre of their teammates.
Taylor and Steve Waugh might have been great captains, but lets be honest, they didn't have to be - shit, things are going downhill, better put warne and one end and mcgrath at the other, problem solved. Having a full batting lineup of guys averaging mid 40s and above also helps.
I think how a captain handles themselves in the worst of times shows how good a leader they are, and I respect clarke immensely for the way he handled the Phil Hughes tragedy. Anyone trying to pot shot him now just reeks of sour grapes.
It was slightly before my time, but it seems Border was also one that through his sheer iron will managed to drag australian cricket off the canvass and into a better era - but once again he is also defined by the players around him, and If you interchanged Waugh and Border you would probably say the opposite things about them, if that makes sense.
Its a bit like comparing batsmen or bowlers across eras - it is just so hard to do
by westozfalcon » Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:22 pm
by Rik E Boy » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:30 am
westozfalcon wrote:For me it was down to Ian Chappell and Mark Taylor but I plumped for Taylor because he captained over a longer period. I reckon Chappell quit the job too soon.
by Dogwatcher » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:19 am
Rik E Boy wrote:westozfalcon wrote:For me it was down to Ian Chappell and Mark Taylor but I plumped for Taylor because he captained over a longer period. I reckon Chappell quit the job too soon.
That was because Chappell didn't want to get the Bill Lawry treatment. Chappell wins hands down as the best captain for mine.
regards,
REB
by FlyingHigh » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:32 am
by bennymacca » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:55 am
FlyingHigh wrote:Chappell also believed that about 5 years was right for a captain, and somehow it seems to work out about right - our last four captains have been there for roughly that long.
Puts into context how great an effort Border's was.
by JK » Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:45 pm
bennymacca wrote:FlyingHigh wrote:Chappell also believed that about 5 years was right for a captain, and somehow it seems to work out about right - our last four captains have been there for roughly that long.
Puts into context how great an effort Border's was.
Assuming smith plays into his mid 30s he may well buck that trend though, but i guess thats more a reflection of the fact that we dont have a seasoned 30 year old ready to step up like you otherwise would
by whufc » Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:44 pm
Q. wrote:I like Lyon as VC.
by FlyingHigh » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:32 pm
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