by morell » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:44 pm
by marbles » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:53 pm
morell wrote:Exactly what I said before finn. Why not put SW in with us?
by jo172 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:10 pm
marbles wrote:morell wrote:Exactly what I said before finn. Why not put SW in with us?
well if what FC claims is true, the SAAFL have another death in the family with the Henley D-Grade their latest victim
ive been campaigning all along putting AGrade vs CGrades in the same division is a virus to the leagues participation rates and once again we "may" have another loss
Division 7 needs every chance to fill agraders "only" and salisbury west must be put in Div 7 to steer clear of fielding yet another cgrader in amoungst agraders
by Q. » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:46 pm
morell wrote:Exactly what I said before finn. Why not put SW in with us?
by jo172 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 2:59 pm
by marbles » Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:43 pm
jo172 wrote:marbles wrote:morell wrote:Exactly what I said before finn. Why not put SW in with us?
well if what FC claims is true, the SAAFL have another death in the family with the Henley D-Grade their latest victim
ive been campaigning all along putting AGrade vs CGrades in the same division is a virus to the leagues participation rates and once again we "may" have another loss
Division 7 needs every chance to fill agraders "only" and salisbury west must be put in Div 7 to steer clear of fielding yet another cgrader in amoungst agraders
You wouldn't say there was anything in the fact that Henley have been advertising for a new C Grade/D Grade Coach to well into February would indicate that they didn't have the organisation to put 4 teams together?
by jo172 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:48 pm
marbles wrote:but considering the SAAFL keeping using CGraders to keep their bottom placed Agrade clubs alive in div 7, they consequently see a falling participation rate where CGraders cant be f##ked playing AGraders and as youve seen in the last 1.5 years the league has lost dgrade sides from
Broadview
TTG
Sacred Heart
Flinders Park
Salisbury (didnt face agraders)
and now possibly henley
the SAAFL structure must be changed cos its pushing players away and in business when customers are walking away, youve got a problem
by Q. » Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:58 pm
by the milky bar kid » Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:58 pm
marbles wrote:
of course mate, we've had a dgrade for 30 years and its in our best interests to field it for a 31st year and considering also that theyre back to back premiers
but considering the SAAFL keeping using CGraders to keep their bottom placed Agrade clubs alive in div 7, they consequently see a falling participation rate where CGraders cant be f##ked playing AGraders and as youve seen in the last 1.5 years the league has lost dgrade sides from
Broadview
TTG
Sacred Heart
Flinders Park
Salisbury (didnt face agraders)
and now possibly henley
the SAAFL structure must be changed cos its pushing players away and in business when customers are walking away, youve got a problem
by the milky bar kid » Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:59 pm
jo172 wrote:marbles wrote:but considering the SAAFL keeping using CGraders to keep their bottom placed Agrade clubs alive in div 7, they consequently see a falling participation rate where CGraders cant be f##ked playing AGraders and as youve seen in the last 1.5 years the league has lost dgrade sides from
Broadview
TTG
Sacred Heart
Flinders Park
Salisbury (didnt face agraders)
and now possibly henley
the SAAFL structure must be changed cos its pushing players away and in business when customers are walking away, youve got a problem
That would make sense, except for:
ROCS
TTG
PNU
PACOC (up to a 5th and 6th side)
Hope Valley
Old Ignatians
Unley
all expanding sides in the past 12 months.
by zedman » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:00 pm
the milky bar kid wrote:marbles wrote:
of course mate, we've had a dgrade for 30 years and its in our best interests to field it for a 31st year and considering also that theyre back to back premiers
but considering the SAAFL keeping using CGraders to keep their bottom placed Agrade clubs alive in div 7, they consequently see a falling participation rate where CGraders cant be f##ked playing AGraders and as youve seen in the last 1.5 years the league has lost dgrade sides from
Broadview
TTG
Sacred Heart
Flinders Park
Salisbury (didnt face agraders)
and now possibly henley
the SAAFL structure must be changed cos its pushing players away and in business when customers are walking away, youve got a problem
Whilst I agree there is some merit behind a C grade only, the difference between a quality C grade & a lower grade A grade is usually going to be minimal & will result in an even competition. This was not a problem when your C grade sides were beating A grade sides in Grand Finals...
How many clubs have gone the other way & increased to a D grade over the last 2 years?
PAOC
PNU
ROC
TTG (extra team returned)
North Haven?
Old Ignations?
Hope Valley?
So how can you say that this is such a problem?
Most of Henley's problems, appears to be a combination of
1. Failing to stop B graders/Fringe A graders being lured away from the club
2. Not attracting enough new players to fill the void of those leaving
3. Weak minded individuals in the lower grades who aren't willing to go out & have a kick with their mates unless they are going to win
by marbles » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:04 pm
zedman wrote:the milky bar kid wrote:marbles wrote:
of course mate, we've had a dgrade for 30 years and its in our best interests to field it for a 31st year and considering also that theyre back to back premiers
but considering the SAAFL keeping using CGraders to keep their bottom placed Agrade clubs alive in div 7, they consequently see a falling participation rate where CGraders cant be f##ked playing AGraders and as youve seen in the last 1.5 years the league has lost dgrade sides from
Broadview
TTG
Sacred Heart
Flinders Park
Salisbury (didnt face agraders)
and now possibly henley
the SAAFL structure must be changed cos its pushing players away and in business when customers are walking away, youve got a problem
Whilst I agree there is some merit behind a C grade only, the difference between a quality C grade & a lower grade A grade is usually going to be minimal & will result in an even competition. This was not a problem when your C grade sides were beating A grade sides in Grand Finals...
How many clubs have gone the other way & increased to a D grade over the last 2 years?
PAOC
PNU
ROC
TTG (extra team returned)
North Haven?
Old Ignations?
Hope Valley?
So how can you say that this is such a problem?
Most of Henley's problems, appears to be a combination of
1. Failing to stop B graders/Fringe A graders being lured away from the club
2. Not attracting enough new players to fill the void of those leaving
3. Weak minded individuals in the lower grades who aren't willing to go out & have a kick with their mates unless they are going to win
by jo172 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:08 pm
marbles wrote:
cannot fault you on anything youve said, of course theres internal issues to blame as well
none of the new clubs youve mentioned with new dgrade sides are yet to face an agrade unit in div 7, theyre are all division 8 teams having glorious wonderful times on equal playing fields, their men havent been infected with the AGrade vs CGrade virus
by Q. » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:10 pm
by S Demon » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:15 pm
marbles wrote:none of the new clubs youve mentioned with new dgrade sides are yet to face an agrade unit in div 7, theyre are all division 8 teams having glorious wonderful times on equal playing fields, their men havent been infected with the AGrade vs CGrade virus
by marbles » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:24 pm
S Demon wrote:marbles wrote:none of the new clubs youve mentioned with new dgrade sides are yet to face an agrade unit in div 7, theyre are all division 8 teams having glorious wonderful times on equal playing fields, their men havent been infected with the AGrade vs CGrade virus
It felt like A grade v C Gradewhen we played GG ands PAOC
We've had quite a few players over the years from our B/C grade go to Houghton and play A grade in Div 7. Just because they are playing A grade, doesn't necessarily make them A graders. That is where your argument is flawed IMO
by zedman » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:26 pm
Q. wrote:4. Henley's exorbitant subs
by morell » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:29 pm
because it's the lowest A Grade division.Q. wrote:morell wrote:Exactly what I said before finn. Why not put SW in with us?
Because why should D7 be where one team clubs have their year of grace?
by jo172 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:29 pm
S Demon wrote:marbles wrote:none of the new clubs youve mentioned with new dgrade sides are yet to face an agrade unit in div 7, theyre are all division 8 teams having glorious wonderful times on equal playing fields, their men havent been infected with the AGrade vs CGrade virus
It felt like A grade v C Gradewhen we played GG ands PAOC
We've had quite a few players over the years from our B/C grade go to Houghton and play A grade in Div 7. Just because they are playing A grade, doesn't necessarily make them A graders. That is where your argument is flawed IMO
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