by eric » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:23 pm
by morell » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:25 pm
Would have thought the peeps from the B-Lodge would be grateful.Diknbones wrote:Talking about umpires lol
Bored are we?
by cracka » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:28 pm
by morell » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:38 pm
by Robb_Stark » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:16 pm
by Jetters » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:33 pm
morell wrote:You see I disagree. And this gives them an excuse. Their first and by far most important job is to get the decision right. That’s it.Q. wrote:They're always gonna get some wrong, all you can ask for is a little consistency.
If they're not doing that, then practice more…
Sorry but umpires are not holier than thou, in fact just the opposite, this trend of late to over protect them and treat them like princess unicorns has given them an ego and sense of entitlement to do what they please, which only makes matters worse.
Honestly think our sport is the worst adjudicated in the world. From the top to the bottom.
by South B/Hill Roos » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:46 pm
by South B/Hill Roos » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:02 pm
South B/Hill Roos wrote:Are Smithfield still under the rule of last season how do people think they will go in div 6
by norm11 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:08 pm
South B/Hill Roos wrote:South B/Hill Roos wrote:Are Smithfield still under the rule of last season how do people think they will go in div 6
I've been told there going to div 5
by The Informer » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:21 pm
South B/Hill Roos wrote:South B/Hill Roos wrote:Are Smithfield still under the rule of last season how do people think they will go in div 6
I've been told there going to div 5
by carey » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:53 pm
The_Informer wrote:South B/Hill Roos wrote:South B/Hill Roos wrote:Are Smithfield still under the rule of last season how do people think they will go in div 6
I've been told there going to div 5
Did you forget what username you were logged in as? Lol
by great catch » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:06 pm
carey wrote:The_Informer wrote:South B/Hill Roos wrote:South B/Hill Roos wrote:Are Smithfield still under the rule of last season how do people think they will go in div 6
I've been told there going to div 5
Did you forget what username you were logged in as? Lol
Certainly looks that way. Lol
by morell » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:07 pm
Erm, everywhere?? I make a mistake at work, I get yelled at. I make two mistakes, I get yelled at. I make three mistakes at work, I don't get yelled at, I get a formal warning. Fourth mistake? Pink slip. Make a mistake playing sport, you get chastised and/or dropped. Make a mistake as a child, you get scolded or educated.Jetters wrote:morell wrote:You see I disagree. And this gives them an excuse. Their first and by far most important job is to get the decision right. That’s it.Q. wrote:They're always gonna get some wrong, all you can ask for is a little consistency.
If they're not doing that, then practice more…
Sorry but umpires are not holier than thou, in fact just the opposite, this trend of late to over protect them and treat them like princess unicorns has given them an ego and sense of entitlement to do what they please, which only makes matters worse.
Honestly think our sport is the worst adjudicated in the world. From the top to the bottom.
What a load of crap. 'Holier than thou'....where else does society (gradually less and less so) allow people to act to other people in the way people behave towards umpires?
Ey? Its shit. Its historical levels of shit. Its Mount Vesuvius levels of shit. Its pretty much universal how shit it is.Jetters wrote:The umpiring at AFL level is outstanding, they rarely make a mistake, and when they do they are slight mistakes.
Using the holding the ball rule for your argument, a rule, which the AFL itself admits umpires **** up more than any other. Which every AFL person of any notoriety has publicly bemoaned, which this very next season, 2015, is being completely overhauled.Jetters wrote:It is bizarre how little football supporters know about the rules of the game they are so passionate about, no one keeps up with rule changes.
The best example is the 'holding the ball' rule, most people don't know what it is, yet you have a go at umpires constantly. Morell, could you state the rule (without cheating and looking up the definition!)??
No shit captain obvious.Jetters wrote:The standard of umpiring is proportional to the standard you play.
by Yank Man » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:30 pm
by Jetters » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:41 pm
morell wrote:Erm, everywhere?? I make a mistake at work, I get yelled at. I make two mistakes, I get yelled at. I make three mistakes at work, I don't get yelled at, I get a formal warning. Fourth mistake? Pink slip. Make a mistake playing sport, you get chastised and/or dropped. Make a mistake as a child, you get scolded or educated.Jetters wrote:morell wrote:You see I disagree. And this gives them an excuse. Their first and by far most important job is to get the decision right. That’s it.Q. wrote:They're always gonna get some wrong, all you can ask for is a little consistency.
If they're not doing that, then practice more…
Sorry but umpires are not holier than thou, in fact just the opposite, this trend of late to over protect them and treat them like princess unicorns has given them an ego and sense of entitlement to do what they please, which only makes matters worse.
Honestly think our sport is the worst adjudicated in the world. From the top to the bottom.
What a load of crap. 'Holier than thou'....where else does society (gradually less and less so) allow people to act to other people in the way people behave towards umpires?
Nearly everything I can think of has a higher degree of transparency and accountability than amateur league umpiring. Was this supposed to be some sort of rebuttal? I mean you pretty much walked head first into the pillar of my point....
This attitude towards umpires being special little darlings only makes the standards worse. The shit ones get protected and keep umpiring, the mediocre ones get an out of control ego and the good ones turn into rockstars in their own lunchbox..Ey? Its shit. Its historical levels of shit. Its Mount Vesuvius levels of shit. Its pretty much universal how shit it is.Jetters wrote:The umpiring at AFL level is outstanding, they rarely make a mistake, and when they do they are slight mistakes.
Admittedly a lot of it has to do with the systems and confines that they need to work in, but, how full time professional umpires can completely and utterly **** up the most fundamental of decisions is astounding.
Your posts, as usual, are full of rhetoric and little to no substance, if you bothered to actually employ a skerrick of reading comprehension, you would have seen only a few posts back that I posted a paper which quotes the AFL itself that they get 85.9% of their decisions right. or, 15% wrong. Whilst pretty good for our level, that's completely farcical for our supposed elite level of sport IMO. If they make 80 decisions a game, that's 12 that are wrong!! 4 a quarter!!
And that's using AFL internal figures, shudder to think what a neutral football observer would come up with!Using the holding the ball rule for your argument, a rule, which the AFL itself admits umpires **** up more than any other. Which every AFL person of any notoriety has publicly bemoaned, which this very next season, 2015, is being completely overhauled.Jetters wrote:It is bizarre how little football supporters know about the rules of the game they are so passionate about, no one keeps up with rule changes.
The best example is the 'holding the ball' rule, most people don't know what it is, yet you have a go at umpires constantly. Morell, could you state the rule (without cheating and looking up the definition!)??
All because its open to interpretation, so you got one thing right, i don't have to look it up, because the rule itself is grey, it could be argued that no tackle is HTB and at the same time every tackle is HTB. It's beyond stupid.
I think the vexation you're stumbling around is the general consensus on what is "prior opportunity" and the difficulty in putting that interpretation into the black and white decision making rule book.No shit captain obvious.Jetters wrote:The standard of umpiring is proportional to the standard you play.
by Jetters » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:51 pm
by marbles » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:53 pm
Yank Man wrote:40 years in footy and I've never seen an umpire change his decision. Guess that thinks he got it right. In fact 60/40 would be awesome but I'm the glass half full kind of person, play on.
by morell » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:59 am
hahah, there there Jetters, there there.Jetters wrote:Babble, babble, babble....
Spot the spoilt Unley kid!!Jetters wrote:Your employer speaks to you like a spectator speaks to an umpire? Rubbish
I read every word.Jetters wrote:You didn't even the read the paper you posted....
14% of 'interpretative' decisions....not all decisions....and having a go at me for reading comprehension.
Which = approx. 4 per game...not quarter. And everyone acknowledges it is a ridiculously hard game to umpire.
AFL umpires are primarily judged on their game decisions, of which 85.9 per cent of these decisions are deemed to be correct by the AFL umpiring director (Warner, 2010).
A typical game involves 37 interpretive decisions, meaning the umpires are deemed to make five mistakes a game on average, in keeping with the survey results (AFL Statistics, 2010).
I thought this changed recently. I stand corrected. They sure are paid a full time wage!Jetters wrote:AFL umpires are not full time.
thats because I didn't summarise the rule you pillock.Jetters wrote:That is a terrible and totally inaccurate summary of the rule. It could, under no circumstance, be argued that no tackle is holding the ball.
The problem, which I tried to explain, is that nowhere does it codify, categorically, what does and does not constitute "prior opportunity". This is where interpretation and discretion come in, this is where the AFL tinker and play. This is where everyone gets confused. Is it three steps? Is it 1.5 seconds? Is it 4 metres? Is it 360 degrees? Is it different for a handball or kick? Is it different if you get it contested or uncontested?Jetters wrote:The rule is not grey, the definition of prior opportunity is defined as written in the rule book and on video produced by the AFL, It is just so hard to adjudicate at AFL speed.
by no_remorse28 » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:40 am
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