2014 Recruits- Hits,Misses and undecided

[bennymacca]

Name me a side with 18 a graders?

The rest of your list minus betts I probably agree with. To put betts in there is utterly ridiculous though.

[Q.]

Clinton Young has been good this year.

Surely you kid?

No. He's been good of half back this year.

[whufc]

Name me a side with 18 a graders?

The rest of your list minus betts I probably agree with. To put betts in there is utterly ridiculous though.

I only put Betts in there because i dont believe he will be at his best when the Crows are next a shot at the Premiership

no team has 18 a graders but teams like Geelong, Hawthorn, Sydney have a couple of A+, a few A Graders and then a very long list of b graders who would all get a game at most other teams starting 18.

Name me some players from those 3 teams who wouldnt get a gig at the Crows at present, wouldnt be many. Maybe the rucks at Geelong wouldnt get a gig ahead of Jacobs.

imho the next 5 years will see Hawthorn, Sydney continue to dominate at least for the next couple, Geelong and Freo to be around the place and continue to play finals, Port and Kangaroos to build fairly strongly and push for some top 4 positions and the emergence of Gold Coast and GWS.

[Jim05]

Can only comment on what of seen over the 2 times we played the Crows at SANFL level but there is some dead set duds running around in the reserves. Crouch and Kerridge look ok but Reilly and Porps are cooked, Johnston has gone backwards a million miles and guys like Graham, Siggins, Ellis-Yeoman, Petrenko, McKernan, Atkins are genuine D graders. Out of the AFL side Martin and Thompson are no good and Rutten is retiring. Doesnt appear too much depth there at all. Have a good top 4-5 but falls away rapidly after that. Crows are with a bunch of sides who wont win a flag in the next 5 years and will be lucky to play meaningful finals in that time

[whufc]

Can only comment on what of seen over the 2 times we played the Crows at SANFL level but there is some dead set duds running around in the reserves. Crouch and Kerridge look ok but Reilly and Porps are cooked, Johnston has gone backwards a million miles and guys like Graham, Siggins, Ellis-Yeoman, Petrenko, McKernan, Atkins are genuine D graders. Out of the AFL side Martin and Thompson are no good and Rutten is retiring. Doesnt appear too much depth there at all. Have a good top 4-5 but falls away rapidly after that. Crows are with a bunch of sides who wont win a flag in the next 5 years and will be lucky to play meaningful finals in that time

1 billion percent agree!

[bennymacca]

Can only comment on what of seen over the 2 times we played the Crows at SANFL level but there is some dead set duds running around in the reserves. Crouch and Kerridge look ok but Reilly and Porps are cooked, Johnston has gone backwards a million miles and guys like Graham, Siggins, Ellis-Yeoman, Petrenko, McKernan, Atkins are genuine D graders. Out of the AFL side Martin and Thompson are no good and Rutten is retiring. Doesnt appear too much depth there at all. Have a good top 4-5 but falls away rapidly after that. Crows are with a bunch of sides who wont win a flag in the next 5 years and will be lucky to play meaningful finals in that time

This is our bigger problem imo and I agree with you. Jaensch is an afl standard footballer imo but he shouldn't be a walk up start as he is now.

[whufc]

Can only comment on what of seen over the 2 times we played the Crows at SANFL level but there is some dead set duds running around in the reserves. Crouch and Kerridge look ok but Reilly and Porps are cooked, Johnston has gone backwards a million miles and guys like Graham, Siggins, Ellis-Yeoman, Petrenko, McKernan, Atkins are genuine D graders. Out of the AFL side Martin and Thompson are no good and Rutten is retiring. Doesnt appear too much depth there at all. Have a good top 4-5 but falls away rapidly after that. Crows are with a bunch of sides who wont win a flag in the next 5 years and will be lucky to play meaningful finals in that time

This is our bigger problem imo and I agree with you. Jaensch is an afl standard footballer imo but he shouldn't be a walk up start as he is now.

Agree.

[saintal]

Weller has a been a reasonable pick up for St Kilda. Expected more from Savage.

[TEX07]

I would have put White and Polek for Power as hits?

the difference between the Geelongs, Hawks, Swans and even Power to the Crows list is their B grade footballers are streets ahead of ours!

[bennymacca]

Yeah although polec got tagged out of it a little too easily in the latter half, the fact that he started to attract the tagger has to be a win.

[stan]

Name me a side with 18 a graders?

The rest of your list minus betts I probably agree with. To put betts in there is utterly ridiculous though.

I would look at Sydneys starting 18 and would say they would be close.
I know what you mean as not all players will be stars or A grades as such and some players are role players.

To be honest I think Betts has been alright this season, is he worth the money to get him, which I think was more like 500K not 600K, but still maybe he has and maybe he hasn't, at the end of the day he is playing a small forward role, the crows needed one and got one. They payed overs for what they believe is something there team was missing, cant fault that.

[Dogwatcher]

Clinton Young has been good this year.

Surely you kid?

Not as much as you're kidding including him in the 2014 recruits list, Carey. He came to the Pies in 2013.

[gadj1976]

For us:

Thomas - huge miss
Docherty - should be ok
Everitt - hit (been good)
Wood - jury still out (not enough evidence your honour)

[Sorry Dude]

I agree Betts output has been ok but $600k a year vs output? I'm undecided.

Kick 50 a year for 2-3 years in a row and I'll deem him a hit

But you also have to have a look at how many he gives off and sets up in general play. As a Crows supporter I was a bit dissapointed with him (considering what we invested), but looking at his numbers I quickly changed my tune.......a little.

Going forward he will need to add a lot more for it to be deemed a win.

[Sorry Dude]

I think all of the three you named have had good seasons.

Still will never be anything more than B Graders at absolute best.

Good season in a very average side isnt saying alot about their ability.

The only one out of those 3 that have improved on last year and have had a semi decent year is Jaensch. Wright is lucky to be picked each week and I am honsetly shocked he hasn't been dropped yet. Mackay can be a decent player, but he just looks quite lazy at times and can be weak at the contest at times also.

[woodublieve12]

Lance franklin has done ok.

[bennymacca]

I agree Betts output has been ok but $600k a year vs output? I'm undecided.

Kick 50 a year for 2-3 years in a row and I'll deem him a hit

But you also have to have a look at how many he gives off and sets up in general play. As a Crows supporter I was a bit dissapointed with him (considering what we invested), but looking at his numbers I quickly changed my tune.......a little.

Going forward he will need to add a lot more for it to be deemed a win.

what does a hell of a lot more mean? currently 9th in the afl for goals, and second for small forwards. does he need 70 goals a season?

more goals assists? he is currently ranked third in the AFL behind robbie gray and breust.

i think he gets marked incredibly harshly. the people that say he drifts in and out of games fail to recognise that every small forward does that.

he has been more consistent than chad wingard for instance, and nobody would accuse wingard of having a bad season.

[whufc]

I agree Betts output has been ok but $600k a year vs output? I'm undecided.

Kick 50 a year for 2-3 years in a row and I'll deem him a hit

But you also have to have a look at how many he gives off and sets up in general play. As a Crows supporter I was a bit dissapointed with him (considering what we invested), but looking at his numbers I quickly changed my tune.......a little.

Going forward he will need to add a lot more for it to be deemed a win.

what does a hell of a lot more mean? currently 9th in the afl for goals, and second for small forwards. does he need 70 goals a season?

more goals assists? he is currently ranked third in the AFL behind robbie gray and breust.

i think he gets marked incredibly harshly. the people that say he drifts in and out of games fail to recognise that every small forward does that.

he has been more consistent than chad wingard for instance, and nobody would accuse wingard of having a bad season.

Wingard is probably on half the money and will be part of ports next premiership assault with his best years more than likely ahead of him

[Dogwatcher]

No, because it's Wingard's third season and he's on half the money.

However, I agree that Betts is judged harshly.
He is probably as effective as Milne was over his career and as a small forward he was highly regarded.
Small forwards generally do get judged harshly, but the provide unpredictability, which is a good weapon to have.
Wouldn't mind seeing Betts spend a little more time as a mid, provide some magic through there occasionally, like Didak did for the Pies.

[bennymacca]

No, because it's Wingard's third season and he's on half the money.

However, I agree that Betts is judged harshly.
He is probably as effective as Milne was over his career and as a small forward he was highly regarded.
Small forwards generally do get judged harshly, but the provide unpredictability, which is a good weapon to have.
Wouldn't mind seeing Betts spend a little more time as a mid, provide some magic through there occasionally, like Didak did for the Pies.

yeah i wouldnt mind seeing betts being used in the midfield a little more often. i doubt he has the tank to do it that often, but given he is so good at setting up the play, it would be worth it in short bursts.

and the money wingard is on vs betts is a bit misleading too - if wingard was on the open market now he would command much more than betts