AFL Reserves. The Pros and Cons:

[johntheclaret]

Without wanting to start just another slagging thread, I was thinking about what the Pros and Cons were.
Initially I thought it might not be a bad thing to get rid of the bye, an extra team in the league, but as I read and pick up on some pretty valid points I have come round to the idea that in fact there are more downsides to the Reserves in the SANFL than upsides.

Here are my Pros & Cons. A genuine effort to look at both sides objectively. I would be interested to see other posters Pros & Cons and not just "we hate you".

Pros:

•All SANFL Clubs receive $50k p.a. from the Crows
•All the SANFL Clubs have control over their own players and aren’t relying on the AFL Club players dropping in and out from one week to the next.
A 10 team competition eradicates the need for the bye every week.
Greater media coverage leading to increased sponsorship revenue for all SANFL clubs.
Commercial TV gives greater exposure to a wider viewing market and exposes SANFL football to viewers who might not normally see it, therefore increasing the possibility of attracting new followers to the league.

Cons:

•We have two reserve teams that have a different set of rules than each other.
•Both those teams also have a different set of rules to the rest of the 8 SANFL Clubs.
•Junior Fans who might have followed an SANFL team as well as an AFL Team are more likely to follow the AFL Reserve Team, resulting in the loss of fan base to SANFL going forward.
•The imbalance with which AFL Listed players are available to the reserve side from one week to the next will directly affect the results and ultimately who makes the finals and who doesn’t. Suggesting it will even itself out over the year is incorrect as some teams will gain from it and others will lose by it depending on what the injury list is from the AFL Team on any given week. Norwood might get 4 points because they happen to play Port on a week when injuries are higher, whilst WWT might not get any points because they happen to play Port when their injury list is small.
•If Port Power Reserves continue to smash the SANFL Teams, interest will wane on those match days.
•If either or both the AFL Reserve Teams reach the finals the revenue will go to those teams and out of an SANFL Club's coffers, which defeats one of the objects of having the Reserve Teams in the League in the first place, particularly if it was to end up a Crows v Power GF.
•The Crows Reserves have not brought 4,000 or 6,000, or any other number suggested, to the games as promised. The current crowds may be up but if this is because of the curiosity factor, then those increases won’t be sustained and crowds are likely to fall below previous years because of the protest vote leaving the SANFL Clubs worse off and under compensated. (The lost revenue from Memebership and walk on Fans outways the $50k compensation / incentive)
The SANFL losses it's identity as an independent league which in turn drives non AFL interested a fans away

[Mr Beefy]

Objectively? Your pros and cons are only from a SANFL club and/or league perspective.
For:
The AFL clubs have all their players playing in one team at a ridiculously cheap price.


Cons:
Port will lose it's development zone which may mean a lot of the people in those zones will feel disenfranchised from the whole SANFL, regardless of who takes over those zones.
The Cows will have their players playing with blokes who are not up to it, as will Port when the remnants of the development squads disappear. This, however, has been an issue for 20 years or so, but will get worse.

[twosheds]

John - you have it in a nutshell.
Mr. Beefy - can you really be that obtuse ? Look at the site you are on, of course opinions will be from an SANFL perspective. If you want supercilious, condescending self congratulations go to any AFL skewed site, simple really !

[johntheclaret]

Objectively? Your pros and cons are only from a SANFL club and/or league perspective.
For:
The AFL clubs have all their players playing in one team at a ridiculously cheap price.


Cons:
Port will lose it's development zone which may mean a lot of the people in those zones will feel disenfranchised from the whole SANFL, regardless of who takes over those zones.
The Cows will have their players playing with blokes who are not up to it, as will Port when the remnants of the development squads disappear. This, however, has been an issue for 20 years or so, but will get worse.

I realise that which is why I asked for other views.

[Mr Beefy]

John - you have it in a nutshell.
Mr. Beefy - can you really be that obtuse ? Look at the site you are on, of course opinions will be from an SANFL perspective. If you want supercilious, condescending self congratulations go to any AFL skewed site, simple really !

Far from it two dogs. The site says safooty, last I checked there were 2 SA AFL reserves team in the SANFL. I guess if I go to an AFL site I wont get the chip on the shoulder, woe is me, stuck in the 70s cock knockers like you on it.

[johntheclaret]

Any chance this thread can be objective instead of a slagging match

[Mr Beefy]

he started it

[woodublieve12]

seriously, another forum???

[twosheds]

John - you have it in a nutshell.
Mr. Beefy - can you really be that obtuse ? Look at the site you are on, of course opinions will be from an SANFL perspective. If you want supercilious, condescending self congratulations go to any AFL skewed site, simple really !

Far from it two dogs. The site says safooty, last I checked there were 2 SA AFL reserves team in the SANFL. I guess if I go to an AFL site I wont get the chip on the shoulder, woe is me, stuck in the 70s cock knockers like you on it.[/quote

]twodogs ??? If you can't read between the lines I guess you really are that obtuse. Your last point is correct, personal abuse aside.

[maxyoz]

Pros: It's given us the opportunity to have lots of healthy debating on this forum.

Cons: It seems to end up on every fricking thread.

[Panther Pack]

Scary part is Port have 5 or 6 players to come back from injury so they are only going to get stronger. Monfries will send someone back, Redden, Shaw, Stevenson to name a few .

Pros: Central voted No have a huge amount of respect for them.

Cons: the other 6 SANFL clubs only have themselves to blame. The arrogance of these 6 SANFL clubs to think they could compete with professional AFL clubs is laughable. I cannot believe they did not see this coming

[Booney]

Any chance this thread can be objective instead of a slagging match

Now, Johnny boy, did you think there was ever any possibility of that happening when you started the thread. Really?

[johntheclaret]

Any chance this thread can be objective instead of a slagging match

Now, Johnny boy, did you think there was ever any possibility of that happening when you started the thread. Really?

Are my Pros and Cons objective?

[Booney]

Any chance this thread can be objective instead of a slagging match

Now, Johnny boy, did you think there was ever any possibility of that happening when you started the thread. Really?

Are my Pros and Cons objective?

Perhaps, but anyone who in principal is against the agreement isn't going to come up with many "Pro's". As demonstrated above.

Then opening another thread up to the masses to complain......well, they will.

[johntheclaret]

Any chance this thread can be objective instead of a slagging match

Now, Johnny boy, did you think there was ever any possibility of that happening when you started the thread. Really?

Are my Pros and Cons objective?

Perhaps, but anyone who in principal is against the agreement isn't going to come up with many "Pro's". As demonstrated above.

Then opening another thread up to the masses to complain......well, they will.

You're a Port fan . Why don't you objectively put your own list of Pros and Cons. You're a smart guy and I don't believe you haven't considered the pluses and the minuses

[Mr Beefy]

Any chance this thread can be objective instead of a slagging match

Now, Johnny boy, did you think there was ever any possibility of that happening when you started the thread. Really?

Are my Pros and Cons objective?

Well, I tried but someone didn't like what I said and the rest is history

[jo172]

Devil's advocate; if the Crows and Port pissed off to the VFL/some other AFL Reserves competition what effect would it have on the SANFL?

I suspect that media coverage/channel 7 etc. would be even less for the league as a whole than it is now.

I get the feeling this may be like pandora's box, now that it's been opened it can't be closed

[daysofourlives]

Devil's advocate; if the Crows and Port pissed off to the VFL/some other AFL Reserves competition what effect would it have on the SANFL?

I suspect that media coverage/channel 7 etc. would be even less for the league as a whole than it is now.

I get the feeling this may be like pandora's box, now that it's been opened it can't be closed

Didnt the Ammos, use to be on TV in the 70's and 80's?
I see that comp still exists and thrives

[UK Fan]

Now now JTC, don't you realise that only pro-reserves and Port fans can possibly be objective about this. Their support of the concept is in no way influenced by the team they follow at AFL level.

The rest of us are biased cock-knockers.

[heater31]

Devil's advocate; if the Crows and Port pissed off to the VFL/some other AFL Reserves competition what effect would it have on the SANFL?

I suspect that media coverage/channel 7 etc. would be even less for the league as a whole than it is now.

I get the feeling this may be like pandora's box, now that it's been opened it can't be closed

Didnt the Ammos, use to be on TV in the 70's and 80's?
I see that comp still exists and thrives

Not exactly that League folded in 1995 or there abouts. All clubs joined the SAAFL.