by Psyber » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:09 am
by bennymacca » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:16 am
by bennymacca » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:22 am
by Psyber » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:32 am
bennymacca wrote:i think that can be extended to cracking down on any long term welfare recipients. we need to find ways to get those people into jobs, or do something about it when they are actively not trying to get into work
by Mr Beefy » Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:00 am
bennymacca wrote:i think that can be extended to cracking down on any long term welfare recipients. we need to find ways to get those people into jobs, or do something about it when they are actively not trying to get into work
by bennymacca » Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:24 am
Psyber wrote:bennymacca wrote:i think that can be extended to cracking down on any long term welfare recipients. we need to find ways to get those people into jobs, or do something about it when they are actively not trying to get into work
Work for the dole?
I've sometimes wondered whether it would help if people had to do say 3 or 4 days work for the public good - like for charities or local councils - to get the dole, but to encourage the habit of working could be allowed to keep any extra they picked up working on other days - up to reasonable limit, and perhaps for a limited time?
by bulldogproud2 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:33 pm
Psyber wrote:In passing, I note recent reports that people are coming in on NZ passports are now demanding earlier access to social benefits than the current law allows.
The report suggested people from the Polynesian island communities are obtaining easy NZ passports and then coming on to Oz.
On the surface it may be hard to see them as refugees from oppressive regimes, but then the islands are slowly sinking as ocean levels rise.
What are you feelings on this one guys?
by bulldogproud2 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:37 pm
bennymacca wrote:Psyber wrote:bennymacca wrote:i think that can be extended to cracking down on any long term welfare recipients. we need to find ways to get those people into jobs, or do something about it when they are actively not trying to get into work
Work for the dole?
I've sometimes wondered whether it would help if people had to do say 3 or 4 days work for the public good - like for charities or local councils - to get the dole, but to encourage the habit of working could be allowed to keep any extra they picked up working on other days - up to reasonable limit, and perhaps for a limited time?
its an interesting idea. i think working for the dole is tough because they kinda feel like the are working for nothing, in the sense that if they can get out of it somehow they can still get their money.
i do like the idea of letting them keep their benefits if they say pick up a couple of days work but it is not a consistent thing. might be tough to police though, could get people working full time cash in hand, but putting 1 day a week on the books and claiming the dole
by bulldogproud2 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:44 pm
Psyber wrote:In passing, I note recent reports that people are coming in on NZ passports are now demanding earlier access to social benefits than the current law allows.
The report suggested people from the Polynesian island communities are obtaining easy NZ passports and then coming on to Oz.
On the surface it may be hard to see them as refugees from oppressive regimes, but then the islands are slowly sinking as ocean levels rise.
What are you feelings on this one guys?
by bennymacca » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:07 pm
bulldogproud2 wrote:I don't think the right term should be 'cracking down' on long term welfare recipients. A large amount of these people would love to receive work if there was any available to them. Many long term welfare recipients have either physical or mental health issues that make it hard for them to be employable. Rather than 'cracking down' on these, we need to assist them to overcome their problems and develop skills that can help them become suitable for the job market. Work for the dole can be fine if the work is tailored towards something that could increase further job prospects. I also like the idea that those who are mature (e.g. 55 and above) are able to do voluntary work rather than 'work for the dole' and receive benefits.
Cheers
by bulldogproud2 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:46 pm
by shoe boy » Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:05 am
by bennymacca » Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:08 am
by tigerpie » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:29 pm
bennymacca wrote:that is ridiculous. makes me angry.
we, as a nation, elected these people to represent us, so we have a right to this information, and a right to ask questions of the minister in charge.
it seems to be extremely blatant, in that they arent actually stopping any boats, they are just trying to bury it in the news cycle so that it is not a major topic anymore. out of sight out of mind. that is absolutely disgraceful.
by bulldogproud2 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:44 am
by Psyber » Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:59 am
bulldogproud2 wrote:Psyber wrote:In passing, I note recent reports that people are coming in on NZ passports are now demanding earlier access to social benefits than the current law allows.
The report suggested people from the Polynesian island communities are obtaining easy NZ passports and then coming on to Oz.
On the surface it may be hard to see them as refugees from oppressive regimes, but then the islands are slowly sinking as ocean levels rise.
What are you feelings on this one guys?
It won't work as they won't be able to receive social welfare benefits if they are from New Zealand. I think the report must have meant that New Zealanders are actually trying to gain Polynesian passports as this would open them up to receiving benefits.
Cheers
by bennymacca » Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:12 am
by bennymacca » Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:17 am
by shoe boy » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:14 pm
by Gozu » Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:55 pm
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