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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby Squids » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:46 pm

Swans are an asterix team..they should be kicked from the comp.

Apparently Murphy didn't train tonight, might be nothing though.
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby Turbo » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:43 am

Squids wrote:Swans are an asterix team..they should be kicked from the comp.

Apparently Murphy didn't train tonight, might be nothing though.


Brisbane threepeated being an asterisk team
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby gadj1976 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:14 pm

So (after pages of bullsh1t primary school/parliament antics) we'll get back on topic! We won one. I'll be at the G next week and can't wait. We're actually a chance given the ordinary start to the Cows season.

Still don't think much of our game plan but did like the one on one in defence which made blokes accountable.

Where's Duigan at????
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby Squids » Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:57 pm

:supz: :partyman:
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby CoverKing » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:55 pm

Squids wrote:Swans are an asterix team..they should be kicked from the comp.

Apparently Murphy didn't train tonight, might be nothing though.


Murphy never trains the day before a game so nothing new with him.

Got this tip right, and helped with a multi. Thought Carlton's forward line would be hard for west coast purely cause you have no talls and WCE have a good tall back line.

Armfield on hurn was a good coaching move
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby Squids » Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:53 pm

Good win by the Northern Blues this arvo

Ellard 4 goals, Casboult & Mitchell 3 goals



its evident Richmond have zero depth looking at the Coburg side.
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby Squids » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:01 pm

Waite named for the Northern Blues :shock:


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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby Squids » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:44 pm

A win is a win but plenty of room for improvement.

Got the bye next week 8)
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby Turbo » Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:54 pm

Good win tonight. Needed to keep our foot on their throat and crush them. Hopefully Waite can come back and provide a tall forward option.
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby gadj1976 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:06 am

Sh1t win. Would've got smashed by a full strength outfit. Too much reliance on small forwards. Didn't see stats but how many contested marks inside 50 did we have? We will get fligged by decent attacking sides if we play like that
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby Squids » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:07 am

gadj1976 wrote:Sh1t win. Would've got smashed by a full strength outfit. Too much reliance on small forwards. Didn't see stats but how many contested marks inside 50 did we have? We will get fligged by decent attacking sides if we play like that


Zero I think.
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby kneedeepinthehoopla » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:41 am

how did waite go in magoos?
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby gadj1976 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:54 pm

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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby Turbo » Thu May 09, 2013 12:29 pm

Looks like Judd's committed to Carlton for 2014
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby Johno6 » Fri May 17, 2013 11:55 am

Will Menzel play this weekend?
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby Squids » Fri May 17, 2013 9:33 pm

Johno6 wrote:Will Menzel play this weekend?


Yes.
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby gadj1976 » Fri May 17, 2013 10:56 pm

Carlton will blood a new recruit in Sunday’s match against Port Adelaide, with 18-year-old Troy Menzel to make his debut.

Menzel was the Blues' first pick in the 2012 National Draft where he was taken at number 11.
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby gadj1976 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:43 pm

BILLIONAIRE Carlton powerbroker Bruce Mathieson last night savaged the club's recruiting department.

A furious Mathieson told the Herald Sun he switched off his TV in disgust during Friday night's loss to Collingwood.

"Until they get some people who know how to recruit we'll never do any good,'' Mathieson said.

"The list is no good at all.

"We need to fill gaps now. The players are getting older, we are losing the whole momentum of it. We're just picking the wrong type of player. We've got no flexibility in our side, we've got nothing.''

Mathieson, who has gifted hundreds of money-spinning poker machines to the Blues, said new coach Mick Malthouse was not to blame.

"A coach is no different to a horse trainer. And if he hasn't got the stock coming through he can't fix them,'' he said.

"We haven't got it. We are in a diabolical (position) and we've got to change.''

Malthouse yesterday apologised to fans on the club's website for the poor showing against the Pies.

The Blues are 11th with six wins and eight losses.

Mathieson, who rated the Carlton list a "five out of 10'', would not say whether he had already used his influence to force change at the club.

"Recruiters have done wonderful jobs for other clubs, but what have we done? Nothing,'' he said.

"Look at Geelong -- how long since they've had top draft picks? Look at their seconds, right up the top. Look at Hawthorn -- same thing. Look at Sydney. It is just bad recruiting. Nothing more, nothing less.

"We've got to get rid of a few mates and fix it up.''

Carlton's recruiting team includes Shane Rogers, Wayne Hughes and Luke Williams, recently poached from Geelong.

Asked if he would consider trading former No.1 draft picks Bryce Gibbs and Matthew Kreuzer, Mathieson said: "100 per cent. I would - they haven't come on. They need to step up and very quickly.''

He said the club needed to trade for a key position player and "players with a bit of beef on them who can go and get the ball''.

Greater Western Sydney has indicated it is willing to trade away this year's No.1 draft pick, tipped to be used on TAC Cup full-forward Tom Boyd.

Mathieson said defender Lachie Henderson was the only young Carlton player who had stepped up in 2012.

"Where are the players that we can say are coming on? We've got to change our whole approach,'' he said.
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby gadj1976 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:48 pm

There are so many things wrong with this article its not funny.

Not the reporting, just the comments from a grumpy tired old man.

Yes, the guy has thrown money left right and centre at the club - good on him, but how he can pot blokes like this astounds me.

Firstly, he says that Malthouse is not to blame - yet last year, the same powerbrokers at the club deemed the coach TO BE the problem, not the cattle. Now that we're underperforming more than last year, all of a sudden its the players - give me a break.

Bruce, it might be an idea, like Kennett should've, to SHUT UP.
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Re: Carlton 2013

Postby gadj1976 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:56 pm

Brett Ratten isn't the sort of person to take pleasure in the problems of the club he served with such distinction for so long, but you could hardly blame the former Carlton coach for a wry smile at the moment about how things have panned out this season.

This time last year, Ratten, now an assistant at Hawthorn, had just coached the Blues to a second win for the year over old foe Collingwood, shaking his injury-riddled side from a calamitous mid-season slump.
Jeremy Laidler, seen as a defensive general at the start of the season, has had one outing.

Jeremy Laidler, seen as a defensive general at the start of the season, has had one outing. Photo: Sebastian Costanzo

It would win five of its last nine games despite the carnage in the medical room. But none of that would save Ratten's job, as speculation swirled that Carlton was after a bigger-ticket replacement in Mick Malthouse, rumours that would be soon enough proved correct.
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After 15 rounds last season, Ratten's Carlton was 7-8, and in ninth position on the ladder, out of the top eight only on percentage. Now, the Blues are 11th, two games adrift of eighth-placed Port Adelaide, and after four consecutive losses, this week take on St Kilda which has already beaten them once this year.

Another defeat and the prospect of finals for Carlton might be just about shot. Ironic, really, given the failure to reach them cost Ratten his gig and in came Malthouse.
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Dylan Buckley. Photo: Sebastian Costanzo

Not that there haven't been improvements. Before last Friday night, the Blues' biggest loss had been by just 22 points. Under Malthouse, Carlton is winning more contested ball and clearances relative to its opposition, and its kicking efficiency is up.

Yet neither are the Blues winning nearly as much of the football. Their tackling has fallen away, as have the amount of scoring opportunities created compared with the sides they play.

And significantly, for all the supposed extra focus on the more defensive aspects of the game, Carlton is ranked exactly where it was last year - ninth - for points conceded, an average of 87.1 a game compared with 87.5 in 2012.
Before the season, Matthew Watson was considered a likely fixture in Carlton's back six. He has not played a single game.

Before the season, Matthew Watson was considered a likely fixture in Carlton's back six. He has not played a single game. Photo: Getty Images

Neither has its attacking ranking moved much, the average points scored now 95.1 to last year's 94.5. All that with a much longer list of fit players than Ratten had at his disposal for much of 2012.

There's a stodginess about Carlton's midfield, reflected in the presence of more defensively oriented players such as Ed Curnow and Jaryd Cachia, with Kade Simpson being used almost exclusively from half-back. Heath Scotland, with previous success in that role, has tailed off significantly.

The more offensively capable mids, meanwhile, haven't consistently stepped up to the plate. While vice-captain Andrew Carrazzo is one who can claim the injury card, new skipper Marc Murphy is down for disposals on last year and Mitch Robinson similarly.

Veteran Chris Judd remains Carlton's leading ball-winner with an average of 24 disposals, but the signs of the ageing process on the 29-year-old are becoming clearer. Having lost much of his trademark acceleration out of traffic, Judd's touches simply don't cause as much damage as they used to.

Judd's 29 disposals against Collingwood was a season high. But that amount of ball only a couple of years ago would almost inevitably have seen him a clear best-on-ground.

There's been conservatism at the selection table, with future hopes Troy Menzel and Dylan Buckley appearing for just three games between them, while another young talent in Nick Graham, who has been injured, could get his chance this week.

And what's becoming increasingly apparent is just how much Carlton, and Malthouse, have scaled down their hopes for 2013, and the extent to which the pre-season thinking has shifted.

Nick Duigan was a potential captaincy candidate, Jeremy Laidler seen as a defensive general, and Matthew Watson a likely fixture in Carlton's back six. Duigan and Laidler have played one game each, Watson not used at all.

In February, as the Blues began their practice match program, Malthouse's view was that a ''healthy and hungry'' Carlton, given the "planets aligning", could "very well have the makings of a premiership side".

That isn't going to happen. Which is why by last Friday night, the coach was calling the AFL ladder "totally and utterly irrelevant to us", and club chief executive Greg Swann later foreshadowed significant changes to the list at the end of the season.

Because again for Carlton, the list and the formula, is falling short. And the only potential difference come the end of this season to last is that this coach won't lose his job because of it.

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