Carlton Season 2012

[howzat]

With the tigers on the march. The blues could miss the 8. The next month us huge for them. Need at least 2/2 win loss

spot on joker but honestly cant see who we can beat at the moment to possibly get two wins from and watching rattens press conference with judd at the end judd gets up with his right arm limp he is injured now scotland is out for 3 weeks with a calf injury it just gets better for us....

[gadj1976]

Howzat, I'm not a Carlton fan so wouldn't know what goes on behind the scenes like you guys might, but Ratten would have to be in trouble wouldn't he? I would have thought a Prelim at absolute worst result, would be required to stay in charge depending on his contract situation? (how does that sit btw?)

Juddy is still a great player who can be damaging, but he seems to be declining a bit and he needs some serious help on the ball .. McLean has been pretty good in the past fortnight, and Robinson was a monster against Melbourne, but who else is putting their hand up? Carazzo is a decent player, but he's no top liner and if he's making this much difference, there is a bigger problem at play.

Where does Bryce Gibbs sit? If the decision is made that Ratten stays, then does Gibbs become a trade option? Because he certainly seems to be a bit lost with his footy at the moment.

Judd, Scotland, Simpson are key players but they're best footy isn't likely in front of them anymore .. And they seem to have a lot of blokes like Duigan, Curnow, Waite, Thorntan etc, who's best is good enough for them to play a role, but they don't effect the contest consistently enough.

Injuries have killed us. We've got no run and no one to take up the slack from the Murphy, Carrots injuries in the midfield. McLean replaces them in numbers and does ok but he's a completely different player. So Ratten will be safe. He's basically been handcuffed. ANd we're stuffed now cos we've got more injuries and no depth to cover it.

[gadj1976]

this is my first post in this thread..........

For us to push for the premiership next season;

Need Watson to step up.

Need to win games at Etihad.

Need Warnock to start imposing himself more around the ground.

Need everyone to stay fit again. Problem was, Judd, Murphy, Simpson all played every game. You'd expect one or two of those guys to miss games in 2012 meaning we have to have the depth to cover them. Depth we don't necessarily have. I'd hope that they rest Judd, Murphy, Simpson and a few others when we play GWS - depending on where it falls in the season of course.

Need Kruezer to cement a place forward and stay fit.

Need Waite to stay fit.

Need Walker to have another season like this one.

Need Jeffery and Eddie to maintain their form.

Need Yarran to have a stellar season off half back.

Chances of this all happening in the one season, AND have Geelong, Collingwood, WCE and Hawks drop away slightly..........not probable.

Geelong were able to rest and rotate guys througout the year. We weren't. They had depth in every position, we didn't. At our best we can push them, but we have to get there and IMO the trip (getting there) is the main propblem for us.

Top 4 for us if things go our way but still a bit off pushing for the premiership IMO.

Shows exactly why we are where we're at at the moment.

[howzat]

Howzat, I'm not a Carlton fan so wouldn't know what goes on behind the scenes like you guys might, but Ratten would have to be in trouble wouldn't he? I would have thought a Prelim at absolute worst result, would be required to stay in charge depending on his contract situation? (how does that sit btw?)

Juddy is still a great player who can be damaging, but he seems to be declining a bit and he needs some serious help on the ball .. McLean has been pretty good in the past fortnight, and Robinson was a monster against Melbourne, but who else is putting their hand up? Carazzo is a decent player, but he's no top liner and if he's making this much difference, there is a bigger problem at play.

Where does Bryce Gibbs sit? If the decision is made that Ratten stays, then does Gibbs become a trade option? Because he certainly seems to be a bit lost with his footy at the moment.

Judd, Scotland, Simpson are key players but they're best footy isn't likely in front of them anymore .. And they seem to have a lot of blokes like Duigan, Curnow, Waite, Thorntan etc, who's best is good enough for them to play a role, but they don't effect the contest consistently enough.

Injuries have killed us. We've got no run and no one to take up the slack from the Murphy, Carrots injuries in the midfield. McLean replaces them in numbers and does ok but he's a completely different player. So Ratten will be safe. He's basically been handcuffed. ANd we're stuffed now cos we've got more injuries and no depth to cover it.

yes m8 injuries have bitten us but where is the fight in the players that do pull on the jumper there is none now injuries dont speak for that....

i have been hard on gibbs but in fairness he has been a backman then we put him in the midfield now we have him playing forward so he doesnt know where he is playing....

robbo at ff wtf??

have you watched rattens press conference if so what did you make from it???

[Jim05]

Ratten wont be sacked with his best mate as President.


Are there any experienced coaches available who are willing to coach again? I think we have the cattle we just need some direction.

I reckon Roos is your man

Malthouse would be a good fit

[gadj1976]

Howzat, I'm not a Carlton fan so wouldn't know what goes on behind the scenes like you guys might, but Ratten would have to be in trouble wouldn't he? I would have thought a Prelim at absolute worst result, would be required to stay in charge depending on his contract situation? (how does that sit btw?)

Juddy is still a great player who can be damaging, but he seems to be declining a bit and he needs some serious help on the ball .. McLean has been pretty good in the past fortnight, and Robinson was a monster against Melbourne, but who else is putting their hand up? Carazzo is a decent player, but he's no top liner and if he's making this much difference, there is a bigger problem at play.

Where does Bryce Gibbs sit? If the decision is made that Ratten stays, then does Gibbs become a trade option? Because he certainly seems to be a bit lost with his footy at the moment.

Judd, Scotland, Simpson are key players but they're best footy isn't likely in front of them anymore .. And they seem to have a lot of blokes like Duigan, Curnow, Waite, Thorntan etc, who's best is good enough for them to play a role, but they don't effect the contest consistently enough.

Injuries have killed us. We've got no run and no one to take up the slack from the Murphy, Carrots injuries in the midfield. McLean replaces them in numbers and does ok but he's a completely different player. So Ratten will be safe. He's basically been handcuffed. ANd we're stuffed now cos we've got more injuries and no depth to cover it.

yes m8 injuries have bitten us but where is the fight in the players that do pull on the jumper there is none now injuries dont speak for that....

i have been hard on gibbs but in fairness he has been a backman then we put him in the midfield now we have him playing forward so he doesnt know where he is playing....

robbo at ff wtf??

have you watched rattens press conference if so what did you make from it???

I think he's run out of 1. excuses, 2 soldiers. I didn't think Robbo was a bad option at FF, IF we could get it down to him. We just couldn't. We needed a target which we just can't get with either Hampson or Warnock. And we had/have no run at all. Simmo is a shadow of his former self but that's cos he's now shouldering the load rather than being able to recieve good ball on the outside like normal.

Once again, I don't think a change of coaches is going to do anything. Give him a chance with a full list then we can judge if he's any good. Personally I think he's ok but the players aren't working hard enough in the absence of other players. If you watch the Pies today/tonight, look how Beames et al have stepped up in the absence of Swan and now Pendles. That's the sort of lift we're after. I don't blame the coach for that either.

[JK]

Injuries have killed us. We've got no run and no one to take up the slack from the Murphy, Carrots injuries in the midfield. McLean replaces them in numbers and does ok but he's a completely different player. So Ratten will be safe. He's basically been handcuffed. ANd we're stuffed now cos we've got more injuries and no depth to cover it.

So did Carlton overrate their list Gadj?

Bearing in mind they were less than a kick from a Prelim final appearance last season.

[JK]

Once again, I don't think a change of coaches is going to do anything. Give him a chance with a full list then we can judge if he's any good. Personally I think he's ok but the players aren't working hard enough in the absence of other players.

Two points you've raised there:

1. It's very rare clubs get through the season, and then to the pointy end, with their best 22 available

2. If the players aren't working hard enough to deliver what the coach wants, he must surely accept some responsibility for that?

Im not on a witch-hunt for Ratten or anything, but I reckon the Blues thought they were primed for a tilt at the flag this year - which they still might be .. However they are also at risk of fading away without a yelp and if the latter were to happen, I don't think that would or should be deemed as acceptable.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Injuries have killed us. We've got no run and no one to take up the slack from the Murphy, Carrots injuries in the midfield. McLean replaces them in numbers and does ok but he's a completely different player. So Ratten will be safe. He's basically been handcuffed. ANd we're stuffed now cos we've got more injuries and no depth to cover it.

And there it is. The injury card.

[Turbo]

Injuries have killed us. We've got no run and no one to take up the slack from the Murphy, Carrots injuries in the midfield. McLean replaces them in numbers and does ok but he's a completely different player. So Ratten will be safe. He's basically been handcuffed. ANd we're stuffed now cos we've got more injuries and no depth to cover it.

And there it is. The injury card.

Followed closely by the troll card

[The Sleeping Giant]

Collingwood and West Coast supporters aren't using that excuse.

I warned you your lot are average, but you refused to listen.

Now the eating of your own begins.

[Turbo]

Collingwood and West Coast supporters aren't using that excuse.

I warned you your lot are average, but you refused to listen.

Now the eating of your own begins.

Incorrect. They have been but the difference is they have more depth. Ratten will stay, the next 4 games define the season and we see who wants to play or who is simply a passenger.

[gadj1976]

Injuries have killed us. We've got no run and no one to take up the slack from the Murphy, Carrots injuries in the midfield. McLean replaces them in numbers and does ok but he's a completely different player. So Ratten will be safe. He's basically been handcuffed. ANd we're stuffed now cos we've got more injuries and no depth to cover it.

So did Carlton overrate their list Gadj?

Bearing in mind they were less than a kick from a Prelim final appearance last season.

I don't think so, I think our best 22 is up to it and can beat anyone. However, our depth is the problem. I think Ratten knew our depth was an issue, however we've been exposed to a greater degree than he'd imagined.

[gadj1976]

Injuries have killed us. We've got no run and no one to take up the slack from the Murphy, Carrots injuries in the midfield. McLean replaces them in numbers and does ok but he's a completely different player. So Ratten will be safe. He's basically been handcuffed. ANd we're stuffed now cos we've got more injuries and no depth to cover it.

And there it is. The injury card.

No depth mate. I've said all along our depth is our problem. Every team is going to get injuries, its how you cover them that's the issue. And we just don't have the depth.

[gadj1976]

Once again, I don't think a change of coaches is going to do anything. Give him a chance with a full list then we can judge if he's any good. Personally I think he's ok but the players aren't working hard enough in the absence of other players.

Two points you've raised there:

1. It's very rare clubs get through the season, and then to the pointy end, with their best 22 available

2. If the players aren't working hard enough to deliver what the coach wants, he must surely accept some responsibility for that?

Im not on a witch-hunt for Ratten or anything, but I reckon the Blues thought they were primed for a tilt at the flag this year - which they still might be .. However they are also at risk of fading away without a yelp and if the latter were to happen, I don't think that would or should be deemed as acceptable.

Not acceptable I agree. But I can't think that's the coaches role per se. He has to play players who are willing to do it but if you run out of numbers you have to pick guys who aren't providing the best for the club.

[gadj1976]

Collingwood and West Coast supporters aren't using that excuse.

I warned you your lot are average, but you refused to listen.

Now the eating of your own begins.

When? We are up to it when we have a fit 22 on the park like most of last season. This season, well it hasn't panned out that way at the moment.

And all I've said all along is that we don't have depth. Injuries expose a club's depth right? We've got injuries and we've got little depth.

I've got no problem with WCE, Coll and Essendon having injuries as well and playing better. It might just mean they've got people to cover the structures that we haven't.

If you wanna float your boat by saying we're making excuses, good on you. BTW, who do you support?

[Turbo]

Collingwood and West Coast supporters aren't using that excuse.

I warned you your lot are average, but you refused to listen.

Now the eating of your own begins.

When? We are up to it when we have a fit 22 on the park like most of last season. This season, well it hasn't panned out that way at the moment.

And all I've said all along is that we don't have depth. Injuries expose a club's depth right? We've got injuries and we've got little depth.

I've got no problem with WCE, Coll and Essendon having injuries as well and playing better. It might just mean they've got people to cover the structures that we haven't.

If you wanna float your boat by saying we're making excuses, good on you. BTW, who do you support?

Don't waste your time with tsg.

[Q.]

Collingwood and West Coast supporters aren't using that excuse.

I warned you your lot are average, but you refused to listen.

Now the eating of your own begins.

Incorrect. They have been but the difference is they have more depth. Ratten will stay, the next 4 games define the season and we see who wants to play or who is simply a passenger.

Yes, I frequently use injuries as an excuse for us winning six consecutive games.

[Johno6]

TSG goes for sydney......but dont hold that against him.

boy do blues look average atm tho.. i like the blues and they are hard to watch atm

[MatteeG]

Collingwood and West Coast supporters aren't using that excuse.

I warned you your lot are average, but you refused to listen.

Now the eating of your own begins.

Incorrect. They have been but the difference is they have more depth. Ratten will stay, the next 4 games define the season and we see who wants to play or who is simply a passenger.

Wasnt there 'No Passengers' this year?