Matt Rendell quits

[CoverKing]

Doesnt get mentioned as much but how would Andrew Lovett feel after the Jarrah incident?

Lovett was found not guilty yet was kicked out of his club and the AFL and career over. Jarrah, who one could argue has been charged with something much worse, is free to train and play with his club until the court case where he may well be found guilty.

Where is the consistency from the AFL?

Firstly, Jurrah was fined $5000 by Melbourne for drinking. Jurrah has the full support of his team mates. Lovett, who had just come to the club, apparently had strict contract obligations that he broke when he came to the first pre-season training unfit, he had a history of problems at essendon and simply, had no respect at the club. At this stage, Jurrah still does. I would assume that's their reasoning.

Consistency and the AFL are not often close together.

[Mop Up]

Certainly was fascinating viewing...

With people going out of their way to appear not racist, the real issues and possible solutions surrounding Aboriginal players are not being heard, spoken of, acted on and here was one guy who tried to give the AFL a wake up call befoe it was too late and has been hung out to dry because of it.

And now with this whole story going on, the real issues are till not being addressed.

[Gingernuts]

Doesnt get mentioned as much but how would Andrew Lovett feel after the Jarrah incident?

Lovett was found not guilty yet was kicked out of his club and the AFL and career over. Jarrah, who one could argue has been charged with something much worse, is free to train and play with his club until the court case where he may well be found guilty.

Where is the consistency from the AFL?

Consistency in what? What do these cases have in common besides them both being indigenous and alledged to have done something criminal?

Every case is different and should be treated accordingly. I for one am happy to the AFL to treat each case individually and with due care and consideration.

[HH3]

Doesnt get mentioned as much but how would Andrew Lovett feel after the Jarrah incident?

Lovett was found not guilty yet was kicked out of his club and the AFL and career over. Jarrah, who one could argue has been charged with something much worse, is free to train and play with his club until the court case where he may well be found guilty.

Where is the consistency from the AFL?

Consistency in what? What do these cases have in common besides them both being indigenous and alledged to have done something criminal?

Every case is different and should be treated accordingly. I for one am happy to the AFL to treat each case individually and with due care and consideration.

Both players were arrested for an alledged crime.

Both players were bailed, then awaited trial.

Both players SHOULD have been considered innocent until proven guilty.

Lovett went to trial, got a not guilty verdict, and no charge recorded. Yet he had already been sacked and his career was over.

Its racist of you to think that these examples have anything to do with them being Aboriginal. He didnt say that anywhere.

[Gingernuts]

Racist of me? So it was just coincidence he chose to compare 2 examples that were both indigenous.

Give me a break.

[Dutchy]

Doesnt get mentioned as much but how would Andrew Lovett feel after the Jarrah incident?

Lovett was found not guilty yet was kicked out of his club and the AFL and career over. Jarrah, who one could argue has been charged with something much worse, is free to train and play with his club until the court case where he may well be found guilty.

Where is the consistency from the AFL?

Consistency in what? What do these cases have in common besides them both being indigenous and alledged to have done something criminal?

Every case is different and should be treated accordingly. I for one am happy to the AFL to treat each case individually and with due care and consideration.

Both players were arrested for an alledged crime.

Both players were bailed, then awaited trial.

Both players SHOULD have been considered innocent until proven guilty.

Lovett went to trial, got a not guilty verdict, and no charge recorded. Yet he had already been sacked and his career was over.

Exactly what I meant, if they treat each case individually how does trying to kill someone rank?

[Q.]

Exactly what I meant, if they treat each case individually how does trying to kill someone rank?

The incident stems from the complex Yuendumu tribal conflict and all parties chose to treat it sensitively.

[Gingernuts]

My point is neither ranks anywhere, my point is that your comparison is pointless. It's not as simple as just assessing the alleged offence caused, there are so many more factors than that.

Judging each case on it's own merits is the best course of action. Pigeon holing and gross generalisations help no one.

[HH3]

Racist of me? So it was just coincidence he chose to compare 2 examples that were both indigenous.

Give me a break.

These are the last two players to be arrested and put on trial for serious crimes. That would be why they are comparable.

They should treat both the same way regarding job status. Do you think its ok to keep one player on an AFL list that could potentially be put in jail for a long time for attempted murder, while sacking a player that could potentially be put in jail for 3-5 years for an alledged rape?

I would think if the AFL would support one, they should support all...until proven guilty

[CUTTERMAN]

Exactly what I meant, if they treat each case individually how does trying to kill someone rank?

The incident stems from the complex Yuendumu tribal conflict and all parties chose to treat it sensitively.

I posted a link to this previously but here it again-
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 6303314427
Che outlines some of the issues concerning Indigenous and remote communities.
It's interesting to note that I haven't really heard one Indigenous player condemn Rendell but either support him or are at the very least willing to hear him out before passing any judgement .....pity the AFL and Demitriou chose not to do the same.

[Booney]

Exactly what I meant, if they treat each case individually how does trying to kill someone rank?

The incident stems from the complex Yuendumu tribal conflict and all parties chose to treat it sensitively.

So does this mean we ( as in non indigenous people ) dont get this explained to us?

How can we tackle issues in idigenous communities if :

1 - We cant speak about them
2 - Have them "complexities" explained to us

[Gingernuts]

Racist of me? So it was just coincidence he chose to compare 2 examples that were both indigenous.

Give me a break.

These are the last two players to be arrested and put on trial for serious crimes. That would be why they are comparable.

They should treat both the same way regarding job status. Do you think its ok to keep one player on an AFL list that could potentially be put in jail for a long time for attempted murder, while sacking a player that could potentially be put in jail for 3-5 years for an alledged rape?

I would think if the AFL would support one, they should support all...until proven guilty

I think it's okay for the AFL to judge each on a case by case basis, that's all I think.

[LaughingKookaburra]

Biggest thing I would like to know is what has happened to what happens in the board room stays confidential. Very unprofessional that it was leaked on The Footy Show. As I said if it was certain clubs in the league this would have never been allowed on the show. Did Adelaide know it was going on there?

[Zelezny Chucks]

This will no doubt be taken the wrong way and I will be hung, drawn and quartered but does anyone else seem to think it is two sets of rules for indigenous people? If they live out of sight out of mind things that are unnacepptable to 90% of the world are ok. If you live in a metropolitan setting you are expected to tow the line, albeit to a lesser extent than the rest of society?

It seems the old "that's just the way things are out there" gets rolled out everytime something happens that people don't understand yet no attempt is made to understand it?

On the one part, as kids, we are told to treat everyone the same while watching the government treat certain demographics differently? Do as I say not as I do maybe?

[Q.]

Exactly what I meant, if they treat each case individually how does trying to kill someone rank?

The incident stems from the complex Yuendumu tribal conflict and all parties chose to treat it sensitively.

So does this mean we ( as in non indigenous people ) dont get this explained to us?

How can we tackle issues in idigenous communities if :

1 - We cant speak about them
2 - Have them "complexities" explained to us

Perhaps it should be spoken about and explained.

Though I wonder, can you truly understand another culture unless you immerse yourself in it.

[Dogwatcher]

Matt Rendell has at least got the debate that he wants, it's just cost him a lot.

[Booney]

Exactly what I meant, if they treat each case individually how does trying to kill someone rank?

The incident stems from the complex Yuendumu tribal conflict and all parties chose to treat it sensitively.

So does this mean we ( as in non indigenous people ) dont get this explained to us?

How can we tackle issues in idigenous communities if :

1 - We cant speak about them
2 - Have them "complexities" explained to us

Perhaps it should be spoken about and explained.

Though I wonder, can you truly understand another culture unless you immerse yourself in it.

A comment I made in the Liam Jurrah thread :

Extracts from the Che Cockatoo-Collins article.

From the answers provided in many of these articles from so-called representatives, the question has to be asked whether we have suitable people representing Aboriginal players and their interests as there seemingly is no awareness of the complexities and dynamics of culture.I do not see the fierce defence and sound understanding anywhere.

As for Liam and why we are talking today, although I do know the issues intimately,
it is not culturally appropriate for me to discuss the detail

So which one is it, Che? Do you want the wider community to understand the complexity of culture or not? Without some explanation it might be hard to understand......

[Dissident]

It was tilting me so much, I had to change the thread title to Rendell, from Rendall

[Booney]

It was tilting me so much, I had to change the thread title to Rendell, from Rendall

Thanks.

[overloaded]

As for Liam and why we are talking today, although I do know the issues intimately,
it is not culturally appropriate for me to discuss the detail

So which one is it, Che? Do you want the wider community to understand the complexity of culture or not? Without some explanation it might be hard to understand......

That's code for I dont know but I want everyone to think I do