No doubts the Umpires and demetriou are in cahoots

[Media Park]

Pointless, crap thread.

[Jimmy]

Collingwood didn't play well but like Mick said they never let them get away.

mal your talking out your are$e, what frees didn't Collingwood get in front of goal in the last qtr that resulted in goals & the win?

Davis goals, Gibson held in the goalsquare, goal should have been disallowed

This was a disgrace!!!!!! Just a blatant **** up or cheat of a maggot there

[Punk Rooster]

Hawks missed plenty of opportunities to win this game. Umps had nothing to do with the result. If you don't put good teams away they punish you. Bad kicking aside, Hawthorn were fantastic tonight and showed a lot of courage over this season to get as close as they did.

regards,

REB

Unfortunately not an isolated incident for the Hawks recently, even thinking back two weeks ago v Geelong, dominated the first quarter for very little scoreboard advantage.

Set shots at goal cost us a spot in the GF, as much as I too yelled at the TV with the Luke Hodge possible high contact with 90 seconds to go

and the Puopolo holding the ball against

He dived on the ball so was always in trouble

that is a frustrating rule- why reward the player second to the contest?

[mal]

Collingwood didn't play well but like Mick said they never let them get away.

mal your talking out your are$e, what frees didn't Collingwood get in front of goal in the last qtr that resulted in goals & the win?

The decisions made in the vicinity of each teams goals were costly for HW but not co$tly for me

Davis goals, Gibson held in the goalsquare, goal should have been disallowed
Hodge should have been paid a too high in front of goal, called play on
Franklin taken high in a marking contest, should have been a free kick
A Cloke kick looked out on the full, but a HW player apparently touched it whilst in play, resulted in a throw in and CO goal to Shaw
Buddy kicks a freak goal HW lead again
Dawes pushed in back, no free in front of goal, but made no difference as Ball kicks the winning goal shortly after
90 seconds left Puopolo tackled highish , pinged holding the ball in front of HW goals, very very very iffy decision

There were a dozen decisions that were incorrect in this quarter, mostly favoring CO

CO never gave up and made their own luck, and in a way deserved to win thru perserverance
BUT
Its hard enough for HW to beat CO fair and square, but very hard when they are not getting the roll of umpiring decisions

In my mind the best team on the night is inconclusive

My I add that my interpretation of each and every above decision will vary from what others will think
However, just about all of the contentious close to goal frees + non frees in the last qtr, went against HW

That a freak Franklin goal could be cancelled by any other umpiring verdict in the last qtr shows that the umps do make a difference in this game and any other game of football

[Punk Rooster]

Mal, what impact did the umpires have when Hawthorn missed some easy set-shots?

[Dutchy]

Collingwood didn't play well but like Mick said they never let them get away.

mal your talking out your are$e, what frees didn't Collingwood get in front of goal in the last qtr that resulted in goals & the win?

Davis goals, Gibson held in the goalsquare, goal should have been disallowed

This was a disgrace!!!!!! Just a blatant **** up or cheat of a maggot there

Dont you love how people presume the umpires have the same views of the TV camera?

Just watched the last 10 mins, and counted 3 free kicks Collingwood missed out on, 2 in the backs and Burgoynes throw.

Bateman had a number of opportunities in that last 1/4 and was struggling fitness wise, think he might be done as an AFL player, doesnt have the zip he once had.

[mal]

Dutchy
The ones that KILL teams in low scoring close games are the decisions paid or not paid in front of goal
We all saw Dawes get pushed in the back in front of goal not paid
But made NO difference, as Ball got a goal shortly after

In general Play the frees panned out evenish in the last quarter
The other close to goal decisions favored CO + co$t HW dearly

Free kicks
It aint the frees each team gets in total
Its the ones that hurt teams that count

And I re-iterate strongly I had a financial interest in CO winning this match
Im saying that I am extremely fortunate to have CO win this match

[mal]

Mal, what impact did the umpires have when Hawthorn missed some easy set-shots?

I will answer this with my unbiased FWIW opinion
F...K ALL impact

[Q.]

Dutchy
The ones that KILL teams in low scoring close games are the decisions paid or not paid in front of goal
We all saw Dawes get pushed in the back in front of goal not paid
But made NO difference, as Ball got a goal shortly after

In general Play the frees panned out evenish in the last quarter
The other close to goal decisions favored CO + co$t HW dearly

Free kicks
It aint the frees each team gets in total
Its the ones that hurt teams that count

And I re-iterate strongly I had a financial interest in CO winning this match
Im saying that I am extremely fortunate to have CO win this match

Free kicks kill momentum, which is a crucial factor in games. The Burgoyne throw that wasn't paid saw Hawthorn go forward with ease when it should have been Collingwood entering their forward arc.

[FlyingHigh]

Thought the umpiring was pretty much the same each way, except that Davis goal was at a crucial time. Very lucky free kick in the middle to start off with, then the "shepherd" in the goal square meant in 30 seconds the gap was reduced from 16 to 4 points, and didn't give Hawthorn time to regroup after the first goal.
Obviously missed shots as others alluded to, esp in the third quarter cost Hawthorn. Also thought in the last quarter when they had the chance for centre square clearances, Hawthorn looked to handball behind them to set something up and it often came unstuck, rather than scramble a kick forward to put the Collingwwod defence under pressure, which is what the situation called for IMO

[Dutchy]

OK so lets say the umpires give the Hawks these free kicks in the forward line, who says they would have kicked a goal and changed the result?

[Dirko]

The umpiring has been crap all year. Favours the "home" side mostly.

If the AFL stopped changing the ******* rules every year and appointed full time umpires it might get better....

[Jimmy]

Collingwood didn't play well but like Mick said they never let them get away.

mal your talking out your are$e, what frees didn't Collingwood get in front of goal in the last qtr that resulted in goals & the win?

Davis goals, Gibson held in the goalsquare, goal should have been disallowed

This was a disgrace!!!!!! Just a blatant **** up or cheat of a maggot there

Dont you love how people presume the umpires have the same views of the TV camera?

Just watched the last 10 mins, and counted 3 free kicks Collingwood missed out on, 2 in the backs and Burgoynes throw.

Bateman had a number of opportunities in that last 1/4 and was struggling fitness wise, think he might be done as an AFL player, doesnt have the zip he once had.

Agree on Bateman, I mad a comment on fb that he was struggling.

In regards to the same views...the were only two players in the line of the ball that goal was kicked, I doubt the ump was looking anywhere else!!!! If he missed that due to not seeing it, then he is a dead set incompetent goose! Youcan not argue with that.

[Dogwatcher]

The umpiring has been crap all year. Favours the "home" side mostly.

If the AFL stopped changing the ******* rules every year and appointed full time umpires it might get better....

No it won't get better, because weak minded individuals looking for excuses to suit their particular agenda will still blame the umps when it doesn't go their way.

[Dutchy]

The umpiring has been crap all year. Favours the "home" side mostly.

If the AFL stopped changing the ******* rules every year and appointed full time umpires it might get better....

No it won't get better, because weak minded individuals looking for excuses to suit their particular agenda will still blame the umps when it doesn't go their way.

We were complaining about umpiring 40 years ago, and we will be complaining in 40 years time, nothing will change that. Umpires will never please everyone.

[am Bays]

*Bump*

Johnsons goal in the 2nd (called too high when he dropped the knees when he felt teh tackle)
Maxwell hitting blokes high in the first half (see above Collingwood's Johnsons paid but the Geelong's Johnsons not 1st qtr)
Dodgy advantage calls against Geelong when players HAVEN'T decided if they are playing on yet - read the 2011 interpretation you clowns
Calling play-on after a Collingwood mark in the 2nd.
And calling goals when they hit the post

I'm no Cat's supporter but they have well and truly had their shorts pulled down and been forced to take it up the sphincter....

[Jim05]

*Bump*

Johnsons goal in the 2nd (called too high when he dropped the knees when he felt teh tackle)
Maxwell hitting blokes high in the first half (see above Collingwood's Johnsons paid but the Geelong's Johnsons not 1st qtr)
Dodgy advantage calls against Geelong when players HAVEN'T decided if they are playing on yet - read the 2011 interpretation you clowns
Calling play-on after a Collingwood mark in the 2nd.
And calling goals when they hit the post

I'm no Cat's supporter but they have well and truly had their shorts pulled down and been forced to take it up the sphincter....

Not all 1 way
The Swan mark that wasnt paid and Bartel kicks a goal from the resulting ballup

[whufc]

UUUUU BEAUTY VARCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOE!!!!!

[am Bays]

Not all 1 way
The Swan mark that wasnt paid and Bartel kicks a goal from the resulting ballup

I don't disagree with that thought Krakour should have got one right in front of goals for in the back or holding on in the 3rd.

However Collingwood have undoubtably got the benefit of the 50:50s this game both paid their way and not paid to Geelong. As I type this miss another too high which should've gone Geelongs way...

[Jim05]

Not all 1 way
The Swan mark that wasnt paid and Bartel kicks a goal from the resulting ballup

I don't disagree with that thought Krakour should have got one right in front of goals for in the back or holding on in the 3rd.

However Collingwood have undoubtably got the benefit of the 50:50s this game both paid their way and not paid to Geelong. As I type this miss another too high which should've gone Geelongs way...

Collingwood should have got 1 for a high fend off in their goal square, certain goal