"Thug"

[Blacky]

1st at Richmond Oval when Steven Riley broke Roger Luders jaw
biggest gutless act i have ever seen

[Wedgie]

1st at Richmond Oval when Steven Riley broke Roger Luders jaw
biggest gutless act i have ever seen

Just on that one, as gutless as it was and as much as I disliked Roger Luders it was a real strange one.
Riley only seemed to glance Luders on the way through (with his elbow though), it wasn't like it was a full on hit that sent them in opposite directions.
Luders was never the same after that.

[Punk Rooster]

West should really give up on the rough stuff with North, can't recall us coming off 2nd best.

[redandblack]

1st at Richmond Oval when Steven Riley broke Roger Luders jaw
biggest gutless act i have ever seen

Just on that one, as gutless as it was and as much as I disliked Roger Luders it was a real strange one.
Riley only seemed to glance Luders on the way through (with his elbow though), it wasn't like it was a full on hit that sent them in opposite directions.
Luders was never the same after that.

As blacky said, biggest gutless act I've ever seen too.

Enough of a glancing blow to break his jaw.

Steven Sims hit from behind on Matthew Simpson would run it close.

[Interceptor]

REB mate! I guess you tongue is firmly in your cheek. The reason that they were both at the same end was Central were out first and chose the southern end and when Norwood arrived for some reason they couldn't find their way to the northern end. I don't suppose it could have been premediatated could it? Just a coincidence that Gilbert had won the Magarey the year before I suppose? Silly of him to pick on 6 Norwood players at once wasn't it?

Hah! Let's get one thing straight: Norwood always warm up at the Southern End.
So it was a Kerley setup, plain and simple.

A cracking game as well, won by Norwood of course.

[Wedgie]

Enough of a glancing blow to break his jaw.

I wasn't denying that, just found it amazing that what seemed like such a small tickle broke a blokes jaw so comprehensively, didn't look much worse on TV either.

The Sims hit on Simpson was sickening though.

Having seen those 2 incidents you'd think Westies would have learnt by the 2004 Elim Final that roughing up North to put them off their game isn't a good idea.
Obviously not though! Poor old Doug would have nightmares about it! lol

[redandblack]

Enough of a glancing blow to break his jaw.

I wasn't denying that, just found it amazing that what seemed like such a small tickle broke a blokes jaw so comprehensively, didn't look much worse on TV either.

The Sims hit on Simpson was sickening though.

Having seen those 2 incidents you'd think Westies would have learnt by the 2004 Elim Final that roughing up North to put them off their game isn't a good idea.
Obviously not though! Poor old Doug would have nightmares about it! lol

I understand what you're saying, Wedgie, but I was only 20 or 30 metres away and it didn't seem like a glancing blow at the time to me. I'm not arguing the point, though.

As far as the 2004 final goes, I can't remember much more aggro than most matches, although North supporters get a bit sensitive about such things.

I can remember a North player (Roe?) giving away two free kicks before the 1st and 3rd quarter started by having a crack at a poor, innocent West player each time. I think we kicked a goal from one before the first bounce.

[Wedgie]

I understand what you're saying, Wedgie, but I was only 20 or 30 metres away and it didn't seem like a glancing blow at the time to me. I'm not arguing the point, though.

As far as the 2004 final goes, I can't remember much more aggro than most matches, although North supporters get a bit sensitive about such things.

I can remember a North player (Roe?) giving away two free kicks before the 1st and 3rd quarter started by having a crack at a poor, innocent West player each time. I think we kicked a goal from one before the first bounce.

Cheers r&b, the blow on Luders must have been more a perspective thing then, I think I was sitting relatively close to the camera that day and both views looked only glancing. I'll take your word for it, as I briefly mentioned previously Luders was never the same again so that would back up what you've said.

As far as the 2004 Elimination Final goes I'll help your memory out:
North Adelaide 15.14 (104)
West Adelaide 9.17 (71)

Just in case you've forgotton here's 91 too:

North Adelaide: 21-22 (148)
West Adelaide: 11-7 (73)

he he sorry, couldn't resist, I blame the hot weather and the cold Coopers!

Was it West we beat in the 85 prelim too?
Wish we could play those thugs every finals game!

[Punk Rooster]

Was it West we beat in the 85 prelim too?
Wish we could play those thugs every finals game!

Yes, we beat West in the Prelim.
Round 17 West Adel 31.21.207 d North 16.11.107 @ Richmond Oval (August 3rd). This was "that" (Lueders) game.

[Wedgie]

Round 17 West Adel 31.21.207 d North 16.11.107 @ Richmond Oval (August 3rd). This was "that" (Lueders) game.

Crikey, that's a big score Westies kicked, was that 85 too or another year?

[drebin]

The Luders incident was bad - how Riley never got reported was beyond all reasonble thinking. Did fast track trial by video mind you.
Come to think of it the top 3 on this thread are almost 3 North players:
Riley
Sims
Ryan - who was "slyly niggled" outside the rules by Aish quite a deal before he lost the plot. Doesn't excuse the king hit though. It happened about 15 feet from me and Aish had no idea.

To think people thought North were soft over the years

[drebin]

1985 Wedgie - as part of second half of the season slide but we still finished minor premiers though.

[Punk Rooster]

Wedgie- that game was 1985
Drebin- other supporters only thought you were soft!

[Wedgie]

I think the game was in 1985 guys!

Geez, nice turn around from that game to the prelim then. Riley must have done the right thing to take Luders out to make a turnaround like that!

[drebin]

Well I handled myself in the ensuing crowd fights that broke out after. Just remind me Punkster - how old were you that year?

[am Bays]

To think people thought North were soft over the years

Drebin, I thought you were better than that surely you can think of a better tough footy analogy, whacking blokes ain't tough, it is soft.

Footy Tough is keeping your head over the ball Timmy Ginevar/Chris McDermott/David Tiller/Tim Weatherhald styles knowing you are going to get hit but you keep going regardless.

[Wedgie]

To think people thought North were soft over the years

Drebin, I thought you were better than that surely you can think of a better tough footy analogy than that, whacking blokes ain't tough, it is soft.

Footy Tough is keeping your head over the ball Timmy Ginevar/Chris McDermott/David Tiller/Tim Weatherhald styles knowing you are going to get hit but you keep going regardless.

I think Drebin was making the point that despite how ugly some of the incidents were they were basically retaliation (except for the Luders one) for way North players had been treated earlier in the game.
In regard to your last statement you could throw Darel Hart's 1991 GF into that category, the amount of times he took marks and kicked early goals when he knew he was going to get whacked was unbelievable.
Also Kim Klomps dive in front of a Seebohm mark was probably the gutsiest thing I've ever seen in my life. I constantly remind him of it too when he threatens to kick me out of Adelaide Oval! Boo Weslo!

[drebin]

Well true tassie - the perception was we were soft which was pobably true in the sense we were seen as a running hand bal side under Nunan subject to crumbling under pressure etc from the hard stuff (cue: The Stringers, Maynard etc 1985-86 GF'S) and I am no way condoning king hits etc but we did have some "tough" players and hard at it most of the time. We did have some others like the Ant, Sims, Klomp, Robertson from the 80's although all were hard and fiery and prone to stupid acts at times but every clubs had players like that.

[am Bays]

Couldn't agree with you more about Daryl Hart, tough but fair, always kept his head over it. Respected him, would have looked good in a Bays guernsey

North fans don't take any offence but I put Kim Klomp in the same category as Scooter Salisbury, they always kept their head over it, never complained about what happened to them but had "lazy arms/forearms" that were often in the way of opposition players body parts.

In other words they did things to opposition players that if they were players from other teams you would definately call them "THUGS"

[Wedgie]

The concept of "thugs" is an interesting and passionate one, you only have to look at the amount of posts in this topic to realise this.

The only real thug IMHO whilst I was watching footy was Grave Danger.

I never really regarded players like Klomp, McIntosh, Antrobus, Salisbury, the Gowens, etc as thugs even if I did hear rumours that Macca used to headbutt photos of Klompy on his locker before North games, I regard them as hard players and they used to be great contests when they lined up on each other.
I look back on the Salisbury/Klomp clashes with chagrin thinking of how Klompy is now a security man and Salisbury is making millions of bucks in the real estate business.

Antrobus wasn't a thug, 99% of his indescretions were retaliatory but the guy was too stupid to wait until the umpire wasn't looking like most would.

I played footy with someone I regard as a thug, top bloke off the field but a mad man on it, I can still remember one C grade game when he was about 40 and king hit a 16yo kid from behind as the kid was chasing the ball, it was sickening, I've never cringed so hard.

I think most successful teams over the years have always had a hard man/men of some sort who can help protect kids, upset opposition, etc. I look forward to watching Dean Howard in a North guernsey as he might fill this role and has the skills to boot.