Rule change - Allow the throw

[overloaded]

Ronnie Burns - wheres the worst AFL footballers thread?

[JK]

Agree, a throw must travel in the air, but when you have been tackled with possesion of the ball and taken to ground to simply push the ball out along the turf, IMO, is incorrect disposal, a throw if you will. This is allowed and shouldn't be IMO.

In this instance they give a plyer the "benefit of doubt" and allow him to get it out. Irks me greatly.

So they reduce the I/C bench to slow the game down a bit - Always changing the rules or interpretations as a result of previous rules or interpretations they have changed.

It will seriously be a completely different game in 2020 to 1990

[Rik E Boy]

It seems these days that the AFL thinks they need to manufacture flow in the game.

This is an excellent point. The umpires are now more like Directors than Adjudicators.

regards,

REB

[Dissident]

Also, there are grey areas in footy because it's a grey game. We don't have many restrictions at all which are there purely to add to the game. Bouncing the ball, number of players in the square at a bounce - are a couple. But overall the game runs itself with people playing/going where they want.

The biggest issue is the AFL making black and white rules for grey occasions. I see why they do it, but when you start making TOO many rules and TOO many interpretations, it becomes a farce.

How many times have you seen a player take the ball right near the boundary near goals, and almost "drop" the ball back in and get it again. Surely THAT is more a throw than pushing the ball out on the ground.

[Dissident]

Agree, a throw must travel in the air, but when you have been tackled with possesion of the ball and taken to ground to simply push the ball out along the turf, IMO, is incorrect disposal, a throw if you will. This is allowed and shouldn't be IMO.

In this instance they give a plyer the "benefit of doubt" and allow him to get it out. Irks me greatly.

So they reduce the I/C bench to slow the game down a bit - Always changing the rules or interpretations as a result of previous rules or interpretations they have changed.

It will seriously be a completely different game in 2020 to 1990

"Players are getting injured. We think it's because they are getting tired and therefore lazy, and can't react as quick"

+1 interchange

"Players are too fit and are running too fast towards the end of the game. This causes injuries"

-1 interchange

[JK]

Also, there are grey areas in footy because it's a grey game. We don't have many restrictions at all which are there purely to add to the game. Bouncing the ball, number of players in the square at a bounce - are a couple. But overall the game runs itself with people playing/going where they want.

The biggest issue is the AFL making black and white rules for grey occasions. I see why they do it, but when you start making TOO many rules and TOO many interpretations, it becomes a farce.

How many times have you seen a player take the ball right near the boundary near goals, and almost "drop" the ball back in and get it again. Surely THAT is more a throw than pushing the ball out on the ground.

LOL Excellent point - Strict enforcement of the rule you would imagine should see players pinged - But then what if a player accidentally drops the ball (at any position on the ground - Does that get pinged also)?

They have made a huge rod for their own backs.

[Booney]

Also, there are grey areas in footy because it's a grey game. We don't have many restrictions at all which are there purely to add to the game. Bouncing the ball, number of players in the square at a bounce - are a couple. But overall the game runs itself with people playing/going where they want.

The biggest issue is the AFL making black and white rules for grey occasions. I see why they do it, but when you start making TOO many rules and TOO many interpretations, it becomes a farce.

How many times have you seen a player take the ball right near the boundary near goals, and almost "drop" the ball back in and get it again. Surely THAT is more a throw than pushing the ball out on the ground.

It isn't the "pushing it out" that is the issue for me, that fact that it is incorrect disposal is.

[Psyber]

I'd favour a trial of allowing a player to dispose of the ball by any means, including dropping it when tackled without penalty.
Then make it clear that if the ball is not disposed of when tackled the penalty is automatic - no debate about "holding" or being "held to" or "prior opportunity"..
On the other hand there would be a penalty for not releasing the tackle as soon as the ball is free.
It may not work but it would be interesting to look at.

[whufc]

Agree, a throw must travel in the air, but when you have been tackled with possesion of the ball and taken to ground to simply push the ball out along the turf, IMO, is incorrect disposal, a throw if you will. This is allowed and shouldn't be IMO.

In this instance they give a plyer the "benefit of doubt" and allow him to get it out. Irks me greatly.

So they reduce the I/C bench to slow the game down a bit - Always changing the rules or interpretations as a result of previous rules or interpretations they have changed.

It will seriously be a completely different game in 2020 to 1990

Yep thats what gives me the poos about the rule changes. They never conceed a rule may not have worked or that a rule has changed the game to much.

Instead of reverting back to the orginal rule they just bring in new rules to counteract the issues with the rule that has been brought in eg, the rushed behind rule.

[cripple]

The game eventually adpats itself to exploit all available rules. The throw or "incorrect disposal" this year has been basically wiped out of the games conciousness and the desire for flow in the game has caused this. Hopefully Aussie Rules football is subjected to a law where throwing is legit.

[FlyingHigh]

Also, there are grey areas in footy because it's a grey game. We don't have many restrictions at all which are there purely to add to the game. Bouncing the ball, number of players in the square at a bounce - are a couple. But overall the game runs itself with people playing/going where they want.The biggest issue is the AFL making black and white rules for grey occasions. I see why they do it, but when you start making TOO many rules and TOO many interpretations, it becomes a farce.

How many times have you seen a player take the ball right near the boundary near goals, and almost "drop" the ball back in and get it again. Surely THAT is more a throw than pushing the ball out on the ground.

How many substantial law changes have been made to cricket in the last few decades?
LBW outside off if padding up - Good Change
Front-foot no-ball - Probably bad
6-Ball overs - Debatable
One Bouncer per over - Quickly ammended.
Test cricket generally EVOLVES OF ITSELF

[FlyingHigh]

It seems these days that the AFL thinks they need to manufacture flow in the game.

This is an excellent point. The umpires are now more like Directors than Adjudicators.

regards,

REB

Agree. They look where they can impinge themselves on the game, rather than looking to see if an infringement has actually had an effect on the game, or judge it's seriousness if it is off the ball.

However where they should impinge themselves a bit more is blow the whistle for a ball up quicker, get in there and grab the ball, and get the game going again. Will stop all these ridiculous HTB decisions, plus give players less time to get around the ball, cause more stoppages and ugly packs.

[Dissident]

Also, there are grey areas in footy because it's a grey game. We don't have many restrictions at all which are there purely to add to the game. Bouncing the ball, number of players in the square at a bounce - are a couple. But overall the game runs itself with people playing/going where they want.The biggest issue is the AFL making black and white rules for grey occasions. I see why they do it, but when you start making TOO many rules and TOO many interpretations, it becomes a farce.

How many times have you seen a player take the ball right near the boundary near goals, and almost "drop" the ball back in and get it again. Surely THAT is more a throw than pushing the ball out on the ground.

How many substantial law changes have been made to cricket in the last few decades?
LBW outside off if padding up - Good Change
Front-foot no-ball - Probably bad
6-Ball overs - Debatable
One Bouncer per over - Quickly ammended.
Test cricket generally EVOLVES OF ITSELF

I'm confused as to your point ?

[Booney]

Get to the back of the que Diss.

[FlyingHigh]

Also, there are grey areas in footy because it's a grey game. We don't have many restrictions at all which are there purely to add to the game. Bouncing the ball, number of players in the square at a bounce - are a couple. But overall the game runs itself with people playing/going where they want.The biggest issue is the AFL making black and white rules for grey occasions. I see why they do it, but when you start making TOO many rules and TOO many interpretations, it becomes a farce.

How many times have you seen a player take the ball right near the boundary near goals, and almost "drop" the ball back in and get it again. Surely THAT is more a throw than pushing the ball out on the ground.

How many substantial law changes have been made to cricket in the last few decades?
LBW outside off if padding up - Good Change
Front-foot no-ball - Probably bad
6-Ball overs - Debatable
One Bouncer per over - Quickly ammended.
Test cricket generally EVOLVES OF ITSELF

I'm confused as to your point ?

No worries Diss, I probably made the wrong line bold.
I just meant that Test cricket is generally left to evolve without too many major rule changes, unlike what has been going on in the AFL for the last few years.

[CK]

One game where people throw it to move it around is enough - rugby.

Not in a blue hail of fits should this one ever come into our game.

[gadj1976]

Just a thought but how would our great game go if we allowed players to throw the ball.
I know this must sound outrageous but would it have that much of an impact on the game? Maybe you could make it you can only throw backwards?

Image the game with being able to throw, maybe under arm (rugby) throw only allowed. (no gridiron passes)

Interested in your thoughts?

OL, you obviously need a break... have an safooty hat and stubbie holder for your troubles.

[Jimmy]

Just a thought but how would our great game go if we allowed players to throw the ball.
I know this must sound outrageous but would it have that much of an impact on the game? Maybe you could make it you can only throw backwards?

Image the game with being able to throw, maybe under arm (rugby) throw only allowed. (no gridiron passes)

Interested in your thoughts?

Wtf are u smoking?

[Rik E Boy]

Just a thought but how would our great game go if we allowed players to throw the ball.
I know this must sound outrageous but would it have that much of an impact on the game? Maybe you could make it you can only throw backwards?

Image the game with being able to throw, maybe under arm (rugby) throw only allowed. (no gridiron passes)

Interested in your thoughts?

OL, you obviously need a break... have an safooty hat and stubbie holder for your troubles.

Screw him. Where's mine?

regards,

REB

[MatteeG]

The AFL has lost sight of the fact of the core fabric, I agree.

1. Players should be encouraged, not discouraged, in going for the ball and taking possession.

2. Ball ups are part of the game.

3. Holding the ball is a reward, not a punishment

4. A good tackle that does NOT result in a free kick IS STILL A REWARD FOR THE TEAM AS IT STOPPED THE OPPOSITION.


It seems these days that the AFL thinks they need to manufacture flow in the game. Umpires seem to have the mentality of "there's a free kick here unless they prove to me otherwise" rather than looking at it objectively.

The number of free kicks given these days when the player who gets the kick does NOT deserve it is horrible. Sure the free is there because the rules say it is, but it's the rules that really annoy me. In a game based heavily around the value of possession (more than basketball and soccer), the fact it can change with tippy-touch frees really cause angst.

Perfect, just perfect diss....once upon a time you EARNED a free kick.