NBA

[jakovasaurus]

obviously a shite situation for NBA fans. but...

i find it hard to side with the players when they are being repped by Derek Fisher, quite possibly the worst player in the league, by far the worst starter.

and also, if this goes on for ages and affects the length of the season, it could be a good thing for my Mavs title defence, less games for the veterans will be good for em.

[no_remorse28]

obviously a shite situation for NBA fans. but...

i find it hard to side with the players when they are being repped by Derek Fisher, quite possibly the worst player in the league, by far the worst starter.

and also, if this goes on for ages and affects the length of the season, it could be a good thing for my Mavs title defence, less games for the veterans will be good for em.

could also take out the whole season

[Grahaml]

Seems the NBA players go into an CBA talks with an expectation of forcing a lockout. I'm not 100% but I believe many NBA clubs are operating at a loss while every player makes massive amounts of money. It's clearly total greed on the part of the players each time, something I fear will soon come to the AFL too. I'd love to see the NBA go ahead with the teams being made up of players from around the world. This idea the players seem to have that they are irreplaceable is false. Plenty of blokes would love to play for 10% of what these guys earn. Perhaps legally you can't do that, which would be a shame.

If the same thing happens in the AFL I'd love the AFL to expand the Foxtel cup idea to a full season and play under the AFL banner. Let the players watch other blokes take the opportunity and see how few fans and viewers they would actually lose.

[no_remorse28]

Seems the NBA players go into an CBA talks with an expectation of forcing a lockout. I'm not 100% but I believe many NBA clubs are operating at a loss while every player makes massive amounts of money. It's clearly total greed on the part of the players each time, something I fear will soon come to the AFL too. I'd love to see the NBA go ahead with the teams being made up of players from around the world. This idea the players seem to have that they are irreplaceable is false. Plenty of blokes would love to play for 10% of what these guys earn. Perhaps legally you can't do that, which would be a shame.

If the same thing happens in the AFL I'd love the AFL to expand the Foxtel cup idea to a full season and play under the AFL banner. Let the players watch other blokes take the opportunity and see how few fans and viewers they would actually lose.

Don't think that's quite right. The NBA owners claim that 22 of 30 are at a loss. The players union say there accountants have records stating other wise. The players offered 100 million back to the owners every year for 5 years and they turned it down. They want 160 to 200 million more of the revenue a year and want it to come from the players share.

[Grahaml]

Seems the NBA players go into an CBA talks with an expectation of forcing a lockout. I'm not 100% but I believe many NBA clubs are operating at a loss while every player makes massive amounts of money. It's clearly total greed on the part of the players each time, something I fear will soon come to the AFL too. I'd love to see the NBA go ahead with the teams being made up of players from around the world. This idea the players seem to have that they are irreplaceable is false. Plenty of blokes would love to play for 10% of what these guys earn. Perhaps legally you can't do that, which would be a shame.

If the same thing happens in the AFL I'd love the AFL to expand the Foxtel cup idea to a full season and play under the AFL banner. Let the players watch other blokes take the opportunity and see how few fans and viewers they would actually lose.

Don't think that's quite right. The NBA owners claim that 22 of 30 are at a loss. The players union say there accountants have records stating other wise. The players offered 100 million back to the owners every year for 5 years and they turned it down. They want 160 to 200 million more of the revenue a year and want it to come from the players share.

Even if it's not 22/30 and it's only 8/30 at a loss that's massive. You can't run a good strong comp with only a few able to turn a profit (or avoid a loss) and stay competitive. Or you'll end up with an EPL scenario where you have 4-5 teams fighting every year for a title and the rest fighting just to be decent. Nobody wants that. If we can't get 30/30 clubs able to make enough so that some owners don't just become donators (and they dry up eventually) then either soe teams are so far behind they need to be cut or the players need to realise they can't command so much money.

[no_remorse28]

There are some very good articles on espn.com about the selfishness of the owners. They basically state that they put them selves in this position and are telling the players to pay for it. It's sad to see any sport go through this but a lot of the time the players will be labeled selfish because of the money they already earn. It's not often it gets pointed out that it's the team owners fault

[Grahaml]

There are some very good articles on espn.com about the selfishness of the owners. They basically state that they put them selves in this position and are telling the players to pay for it. It's sad to see any sport go through this but a lot of the time the players will be labeled selfish because of the money they already earn. It's not often it gets pointed out that it's the team owners fault

Fair enough, but when was the last time someone made their fotune out of sports ownership? Then you look at a guy like Rashard Lewis making $20m last year playing a non contact sport.

[no_remorse28]

but it was the owners who agreed for this system in the last CBA. they are the ones who give big deals to players like Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanuava. Either way it will eventually pan just hope it doesn't cost us games

[Grahaml]

Yes, but how many of those owners caved because they just love the game and wanted to get the ball rolling? Like many sports NBA owners don't do it for the money, they do it knowing they'll lose money but want to put into the game. Agreement doesn't mean they thought the old model would allow them to avoid making a loss, just means that they were satisfied it was worth the loss.

Big contracts are part and parcel of the game. Some players will earn a lot more than they deserve, others less. If your coach and GM tell you a player is going to be worth it you have to back them in somewhat. Especially when another team has a chequebook out with a big number written on it.

[no_remorse28]

once again I suggest reading the articles through ESPN and foxsport.com, The owners used the same terms and the same qoutes in 98 an got the model they pushed for, u cant tell me they agreed on a CBA that would give 3/4 of them losses, they expected it to work, it didn't so now its the players fault, everyone is trying to follow the NFL's path with Hard Caps and a system which allows the Owners to profit to, there lockout is just about the Owners wanting more profit, because NFL is a billion dollar industry were even small markets turn profits, the NBA doesn't generate any were near that sort of money and hence what the owners want is not plausible in there industry.

As i said it will play out, but its almost a fore gone conclusion that we will miss games this coming season.

[Grahaml]

I'm not suggesting they went in knowing exactly how much they'd lose. If they were happy with those projected losses then we wouldn't have an issue. The losses are obviously higher than they can deal with. And while that might not be the fault of the players as such, where else will the money come from? The owners have costs, the players have virtually none.

The owners just want to be able to not record losses. The players should get everything over and above what should enable a good owner to avoid losing money.

As for the cap, it's a tricky issue. The bigger franchises currently can pay more money and dominate the comp. How will those teams ever compete with a franchise like Chicago or LA? But if we apply the the exact same cap to everyone, some owners will make mega money while others struggle to make ends meet.

[no_remorse28]

I'm not suggesting they went in knowing exactly how much they'd lose. If they were happy with those projected losses then we wouldn't have an issue. The losses are obviously higher than they can deal with. And while that might not be the fault of the players as such, where else will the money come from? The owners have costs, the players have virtually none.

The owners just want to be able to not record losses. The players should get everything over and above what should enable a good owner to avoid losing money.

As for the cap, it's a tricky issue. The bigger franchises currently can pay more money and dominate the comp. How will those teams ever compete with a franchise like Chicago or LA? But if we apply the the exact same cap to everyone, some owners will make mega money while others struggle to make ends meet.

Yeah I get your points, but point of view and what I read is the Owners locked them out in 98 for a fairer CBA, in which they proposed the current model which wasn't projecting losses for any team, and also gave the players 57% of the revenue ( which is nuts for any league and is by far the most of any league in the world). to get it to where they want the players have to give up more revenue and the Teams want a hard cap so players cant get these big max deals and monopolize the market. But its a monster the teams created, U cant expect arrogant american athletes to give back money the owners originally agreed to for ending a previous lockout. It will have to go to mediation, see what happens.

it seems 50/50 split on revenue and we would be back in business, but I spose its never that simple, im just annoyed that after one of the best seasons/post season in a long time it has all come to a crashing halt, costing us possibly a season of CP3/James/Wade/Howard all around that 26-27 years old and thus in there prime, and we dont get any more of Griffin, Rose, Westbrook, Durant in the younger years. Its such a shame

[Drop Bear]

The NBA is full of overpaid prima donnas.
These players don't realise how lucky they are to get paid megabucks to play a sport they love.

[no_remorse28]

The NBA is full of overpaid prima donnas.
These players don't realise how lucky they are to get paid megabucks to play a sport they love.

they do realize it, thats there point they believe that they deserve it and in 98 the owners agreed and gave them this system, would you just give up millions of dollars ?

[no_remorse28]

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/david_aldridge/07/04/morning-tip-labor-update/#

Good article from all points of view. As well as making fun of some of them. Refers to all the things we have mentioned here.

[Dissident]

The NBA is full of overpaid prima donnas.
These players don't realise how lucky they are to get paid megabucks to play a sport they love.

In an industry that creates billions of turnover - who are the lucky ones?

[Dissident]

Besides, looking back - there had to be a lockout in 98.
It had to happen.

[Gozu]

RIP Armen Gilliam.

I remember watching him play thorughout the 90's and came across as a poor man's Charles Oakley, a more than serviceable power forward. He had a heart attack while playing in a pick up game, he was 47.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball ... aab-wp3627

[Gozu]

Seems Deron Williams and Zaza Pachulia are off to play in Turkey for Besiktas the team Allen Iverson and young aussie Andrew Ogilvy both played for last season:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d ... nba-wp6128

[Grahaml]

For some players this might end up being a real blessing in disguise. It might not be a contact sport as such, but they still take a lot of contact throughout the year from some massive guys and when these guys fall they land on a hard wood court and they aren't lightweights themselves. So no doubt guys like Bogut, Howard, Ming might feel an ache to play they might also get the chance to freshen up with a shortened (or lost) season. For others like Mills who is on the verge of either making it or getting cut he needs to play. Adelaide has been named as a potential team for him, but he'd be crazy not to play a season in Europe for a good team.