Goodwin under investigation

[Blue Boy]

my mail is that Riccutio and two other crows players are also involved.

hmmmmm - only 2 others

[southee]

Gee the tough times of an AFL footballer.

Probably making over a million $$$$'s with contract / media / sponsership deals and then going out betting.

What a hard life!!!

[sydney-dog]

Hale's bet was not even on a game, it was on the Brownlow medal

What a storm in a tea cup

[scoob]

Dutchy

I was just trying to put it all in context

I accept the AFL has a policy to drive the bigger risk which is match fixing, in these four cases my understanding is none of the players waged bets on there clubs matches, in Kieren Jack's case he made two $5 bets, total of $10.00

For years players at clubs have been making bets to top up the end of season trip funds and we have never had an issue with match fixing

I am asking the question, have we gone to extreme with the laws to mitigate the risk of match fixing, or should players be allowed to bet on matches other then there club games, surely this is black and white where the conflict of interest lies

Yea all four players breached the policy, they will be fined, but lets put it in context

You missed my point SD...

EG
If Goodwin knows Riccuito (who has keicked 20 goals in last 4 games), in Craig's game plan for this weeks game, will be playing in defence as they believe they have a match up that will work for them...he rings Ward who is in Brisbane playing the Lions, Ward logs onto his Betfair account and LAYS Riccuito to kick the most goals for $1000-....Riccuito plays in defence and doesnt kick a goal, Ward collects on this info and slings Goodwin a share of the profit....

Surely this example is the same as betting against yourself or your game?

Good example there dutchy...another point to consider is what if any of these Players who are having a big punt get into serious debt with a bookie... being a man who likes to make a quid the bookie offers to wipe their debts with a in return for a couple of bad performances...this stuff can and will happen if the players go too far...saying it just a storm in a tea cup is fine but the AFL must stop it as soon as possible...otherwise corruption and the integrity of the game comes into question...
Maybe AG can give us his opinion?

[giffo]

I think its ridiculous how quickly this has gotten out, with players named and talks of suspensions for a "legal" activity, yet "illegal" drug taking is hushed up with names suppressed, etc. As usuall the AFL gets it all wrong.

[sydney-dog]

giffo

I think the drug use policy is a different basket case, the intent of the drug policy is to support and counsel the players, I think this is a responsible approach, so I have no issue with the three strikes policy and keeping it out of the media

Betting, I have no issue with the players being named, in the end I think Hale and Jack will get a smack on the wrist (small fine), Goody will recieve a larger fine and maybe a suspended sentence, I feel Ward may cop a suspension, this is because he waged bets on Melbourne games, with the other three players at least they did not bet on their clubs games

[another grub]

at this stage I cant comment while the investigation is on.

[mighty_tiger_79]

giffo

I think the drug use policy is a different basket case, the intent of the drug policy is to support and counsel the players, I think this is a responsible approach, so I have no issue with the three strikes policy and keeping it out of the media

Betting, I have no issue with the players being named, in the end I think Hale and Jack will get a smack on the wrist (small fine), Goody will recieve a larger fine and maybe a suspended sentence, I feel Ward may cop a suspension, this is because he waged bets on Melbourne games, with the other three players at least they did not bet on their clubs games

i agree that WARD will be more harshly penalised, but he bet on games that melbourne were involved in, both against freo he backed melbourne and both times melbourne lost!!!!!!!!

he was backing his team into win, it would be different if he had of been backing the opposition.

[Aerie]

I think all of these players should get banned for half the season. Fines mean bugger all to these guys. Draw the line now and say if any AFL player is caught betting on anything to do with AFL in the future he is banned for life.

[scoob]

giffo

I think the drug use policy is a different basket case, the intent of the drug policy is to support and counsel the players, I think this is a responsible approach, so I have no issue with the three strikes policy and keeping it out of the media

Betting, I have no issue with the players being named, in the end I think Hale and Jack will get a smack on the wrist (small fine), Goody will recieve a larger fine and maybe a suspended sentence, I feel Ward may cop a suspension, this is because he waged bets on Melbourne games, with the other three players at least they did not bet on their clubs games

i agree that WARD will be more harshly penalised, but he bet on games that melbourne were involved in, both against freo he backed melbourne and both times melbourne lost!!!!!!!!

he was backing his team into win, it would be different if he had of been backing the opposition.

Still insider trading whether you win or lose MT, just because you bet on your own team to win doesnt make it right or acceptable....

[ando]

You missed my point SD...

EG
If Goodwin knows Riccuito (who has keicked 20 goals in last 4 games), in Craig's game plan for this weeks game, will be playing in defence as they believe they have a match up that will work for them...he rings Ward who is in Brisbane playing the Lions, Ward logs onto his Betfair account and LAYS Riccuito to kick the most goals for $1000-....Riccuito plays in defence and doesnt kick a goal, Ward collects on this info and slings Goodwin a share of the profit....

Surely this example is the same as betting against yourself or your game?[/quote]

Why would he back Riccutio to kick the most goals if he got told he was playing in defence?

[mighty_tiger_79]

You missed my point SD...

EG
If Goodwin knows Riccuito (who has keicked 20 goals in last 4 games), in Craig's game plan for this weeks game, will be playing in defence as they believe they have a match up that will work for them...he rings Ward who is in Brisbane playing the Lions, Ward logs onto his Betfair account and LAYS Riccuito to kick the most goals for $1000-....Riccuito plays in defence and doesnt kick a goal, Ward collects on this info and slings Goodwin a share of the profit....

Surely this example is the same as betting against yourself or your game?

Why would he back Riccutio to kick the most goals if he got told he was playing in defence?[/quote]

he's not backing roo to kick the most goals.

[Dutchy]

He is LAYING Riccuito to kick the most goals (i.e. betting against him doing it)

[ando]

Sorry I thought you meant laying money on Riccutio to kick most goals.

Surely Goodwin would not give another AFL player info, if he was going to tell anyone it would be a mate that has nothing to do with the AFL.

I would suggest it happens all the time, just most players arent silly enough to place the bets under an account in their own name.

[Dutchy]

Sorry I thought you meant laying money on Riccutio to kick most goals.

Surely Goodwin would not give another AFL player info, if he was going to tell anyone it would be a mate that has nothing to do with the AFL.

I would suggest it happens all the time, just most players arent silly enough to place the bets under an account in their own name.

could be a syndicate and they rub each others backs with this type of info

[mighty_tiger_79]

Sorry I thought you meant laying money on Riccutio to kick most goals.

Surely Goodwin would not give another AFL player info, if he was going to tell anyone it would be a mate that has nothing to do with the AFL.

I would suggest it happens all the time, just most players arent silly enough to place the bets under an account in their own name.

could be a syndicate and they rub each others backs with this type of info

and there would be more then one syndicate going around!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ANDO you are right the majority of players would punt on games, whether they be the games they are directly involved with or other teams.

[sydney-dog]

it's been confirmed that Goodwin put a $2000 bet on the eagles in GF week after the crows had been eliminated

many players have admitted through the AFL association that until now they were unclear on the policy and thought the ruling was not a blanket code ruling but restricted to your club

is it the responsibility of the governing body to clearly communicate all policies, the players association or the players

[Ian]

from the Advertiser:

Second Crows suspect on bets

MICHELANGELO RUCCI, CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER
February 22, 2007 01:15am

A SECOND Crows player is being dragged into the AFL betting scandal amid accusations of having a small wager during last year's grand final.
The experienced Crows player - who has been identified to The Advertiser - is under suspicion for a bet on the Norm Smith Medal awarded to the best-afield in the AFL grand final.
The AFL last night would not detail if the allegations against the Crows player had prompted its independent investigation team to open a new file beyond the four players known to be under investigation. They are Simon Goodwin, Melbourne defender Daniel Ward, Kangaroos' ruckman David Hale and Sydney rookie Kieren Jack.
"The investigators do not comment during the course of their investigation," the AFL said.

Crows chief executive Steven Trigg last night was prompted to deal with increasing questions being posed of how far the AFL betting scandal bores into the Adelaide club.

"There will be much speculation until the investigation is settled," said Trigg. "And experience tells me there will be much silly speculation as the investigation progresses."

This speculation yesterday included that an Adelaide player bet on the Norm Smith Medal won by West Coast midfielder Andrew Embley.

Trigg responded no player had informed the club of betting on the Norm Smith Medal and no player beyond Goodwin had declared to the club betting on football.

The accused player's agent described his client as not being a gambler.

But he could not rule out the player having made a minor bet on the Norm Smith Medal while being ignorant of the AFL anti-gambling policy.

GOODWIN gambled with his Betfair account "about" $2000 - at $1.75 - on West Coast beating Sydney in last year's AFL grand final.

Trigg responded he could not discuss the "quantum or outcome" of Goodwin's bets.

GOODWIN did not have exclusive access to his Betfair account, increasing speculation of a syndicate using the account.

Trigg responded he was not in a position to discuss the particulars of the Goodwin case while the All-Australian midfielder was under investigation.

The AFL last Friday appointed former Victorian and Queensland assistant police commissioner Allan Roberts and Bill Kneebone to investigate the betting scandal. They have been given 14 days to conclude their inquiry.

Trigg last night said he was still not aware when Roberts would take his investigation into the Adelaide clubhouse to interview, at least, Goodwin.

[MW]

Rucci has been back all of a couple of weeks and all of a sudden the bagging of the Crows articles have begun again
Get a new agenda Rucci or stay in Italy

[Leaping Lindner]

from the Advertiser:

Second Crows suspect on bets

MICHELANGELO RUCCI,

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Appreciate you posting the article Ian, but sorry, that was as far as I got.