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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby cripple » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:49 pm

The Dark Knight wrote:
cripple wrote:When will supporters of the 14 non-adelaide teams in the AFL stop whinging and moaning about the favouritism and biased reporting the crows and power get.

Port don't get nearly as much media coverage here as the Crows do.

During the football season there is always more articles in the Advertiser/Sunday mail about the Crows than the Power, most are written by guys such as Chris McDermott who is the most one-eyed journalist in the whole country. When I go to watch the sports news on channel 7, 9 and 10 the first article is always about the Crows and it's always the longest article for the entire sports news, unless there's a big AFL story brewing eg. Ben Cousins.

To say that the Crows and Power have equal coverage is incorrect. The AFC have more money and a bigger supportor base than the PAFC, so it always has more coverage because more people want to know about the Crows than the Power.


I wasn't trying to say that port did get as much coverage and i am pretty sure i didn't. All i was saying is that i get sick and tired of people whinging about the adelaide based bias in the adelaide press. In terms of adelaide vs port coverage, there could be a valid argument into one team being favoured or getting more press then it deserves that would be far more credible. In relation to this topic, i am sure both coaches or adelaide based teams have had more then their fair share of scrutiny placed upon them over the years.
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby lebron » Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:03 am

For everyones excuses, still dont have anyone tell me the stats with less than 12 points margin for NC. I do believe players to take some blame! However NC struggled to out coach Matthew Knights IMHO!
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Hondo » Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:13 am

lebron wrote:For everyones excuses, still dont have anyone tell me the stats with less than 12 points margin for NC.


It's your theory so you do the research!

Be sure to compare it to the other coaches you mentioned and then report back to us

My guess is that most coaches would be around 50-50 in close games (maybe ranging from 45-55 to 55-45). When there's a scramble in the last 5 minutes of a close game luck comes into it meaning that most teams would win as many as they lose unless they have a good run with those footy gods!

Anyway, once you have looked it all up you can let us know
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby lebron » Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:35 am

I may just do that over the next few days!
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Gingernuts » Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:44 am

lebron wrote:However NC struggled to out coach Matthew Knights IMHO!


2010 14 AAMI Adelaide 7.1 12.5 15.7 19.10 (124) Essendon 1.3 2.4 4.8 5.10 (40) WON 84
2009 1EF AAMI Adelaide 4.3 12.4 18.9 26.10 (166) Essendon 3.3 5.7 8.8 10.10 (70) WON 96
2009 11 Eti Adelaide 3.0 9.0 15.2 21.4 (130) Essendon 5.3 10.4 16.4 18.6 (114) WON 16
2008 20 Eti Adelaide 3.4 7.8 13.10 19.15 (129) Essendon 1.2 4.7 6.10 10.13 (73) WON 56
2008 10 AAMI Adelaide 1.6 4.7 7.16 9.20 (74) Essendon 3.3 5.5 7.6 10.9 (69) WON 5

Yep. Struggled.
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Rik E Boy » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:15 am

Gingernuts wrote:
lebron wrote:However NC struggled to out coach Matthew Knights IMHO!


2010 14 AAMI Adelaide 7.1 12.5 15.7 19.10 (124) Essendon 1.3 2.4 4.8 5.10 (40) WON 84
2009 1EF AAMI Adelaide 4.3 12.4 18.9 26.10 (166) Essendon 3.3 5.7 8.8 10.10 (70) WON 96
2009 11 Eti Adelaide 3.0 9.0 15.2 21.4 (130) Essendon 5.3 10.4 16.4 18.6 (114) WON 16
2008 20 Eti Adelaide 3.4 7.8 13.10 19.15 (129) Essendon 1.2 4.7 6.10 10.13 (73) WON 56
2008 10 AAMI Adelaide 1.6 4.7 7.16 9.20 (74) Essendon 3.3 5.5 7.6 10.9 (69) WON 5

Yep. Struggled.


Terrible coaching by Mumbles. Should have won by 196. :lol:

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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Booney » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:35 am

Gingernuts wrote:
lebron wrote:However NC struggled to out coach Matthew Knights IMHO!


2010 14 AAMI Adelaide 7.1 12.5 15.7 19.10 (124) Essendon 1.3 2.4 4.8 5.10 (40) WON 84
2009 1EF AAMI Adelaide 4.3 12.4 18.9 26.10 (166) Essendon 3.3 5.7 8.8 10.10 (70) WON 96
2009 11 Eti Adelaide 3.0 9.0 15.2 21.4 (130) Essendon 5.3 10.4 16.4 18.6 (114) WON 16
2008 20 Eti Adelaide 3.4 7.8 13.10 19.15 (129) Essendon 1.2 4.7 6.10 10.13 (73) WON 56
2008 10 AAMI Adelaide 1.6 4.7 7.16 9.20 (74) Essendon 3.3 5.5 7.6 10.9 (69) WON 5

Yep. Struggled.


Knights won the coaching battle, but his players just let him down. How insular are you Crow fans... :roll:


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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby lebron » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:49 am

It was said in spite gents! No one to be outcoached by Knights. Its just I am not a NC fan at all, but i'm sure you already get that!
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Gingernuts » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:55 am

Booney wrote:
Gingernuts wrote:
lebron wrote:However NC struggled to out coach Matthew Knights IMHO!


2010 14 AAMI Adelaide 7.1 12.5 15.7 19.10 (124) Essendon 1.3 2.4 4.8 5.10 (40) WON 84
2009 1EF AAMI Adelaide 4.3 12.4 18.9 26.10 (166) Essendon 3.3 5.7 8.8 10.10 (70) WON 96
2009 11 Eti Adelaide 3.0 9.0 15.2 21.4 (130) Essendon 5.3 10.4 16.4 18.6 (114) WON 16
2008 20 Eti Adelaide 3.4 7.8 13.10 19.15 (129) Essendon 1.2 4.7 6.10 10.13 (73) WON 56
2008 10 AAMI Adelaide 1.6 4.7 7.16 9.20 (74) Essendon 3.3 5.5 7.6 10.9 (69) WON 5

Yep. Struggled.


Knights won the coaching battle, but his players just let him down. How insular are you Crow fans... :roll:


:lol:


Of course. My bad. :lol:

Aaaaaannnnnnyyyyyywayyyyyys - There's been enough threads on Neil Craig on this site for it to be renamed saCraigy.net. Let's not hijack this one as well.
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby overloaded » Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:34 pm

Without doubt..... Robert Shaw
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I have not been approached to coach at the WFC this year, next year or any year. I have not approached the WFC to coach this year, next year or any year. This is an unconditional statement.
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby clanger » Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:16 pm

Only thing is that Craig's side isn't getting any better, in fact it will be worse than last year, and there is no conceivable premiership window opening anytime soon.[/quote]

did you watch adelaide play at all this year? and they record against top 4 sides this year in the seond half was one of the best out the bottom 8 sides

defeated stk by 28 points
defeated geel by 11 points
lost to collingwood by 3 points
lost to bulldogs by 8 points

your side geelong could not even get within 2 goals of collingwood in round 19 and the premilinary final and you are the better team, we should have beaten them by about 3 goals at G in round 21, neil craig must be doing something right.


all you non crows supporters write us off next year has you have all through neil craigs era.

05 apparently bottom three
o7/08/09 going to miss the finals

we are closer to a premiership than all bottom 8 sides expect maybe melbourne

go through our list i reckon you will find quite a few young players who most teams would love have to in their team with no questions asked.
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Jim05 » Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:31 pm

Dont wear out those 97/98 dvd's crows fans because i dont think youll get a flag in the next 10 years, definately not next 5 at least. They will make finals every year but thats all nc the super coach can do. Wont win finals under nc
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Punk Rooster » Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:16 pm

clanger wrote:Only thing is that Craig's side isn't getting any better, in fact it will be worse than last year, and there is no conceivable premiership window opening anytime soon.


did you watch adelaide play at all this year? and they record against top 4 sides this year in the seond half was one of the best out the bottom 8 sides

defeated stk by 28 points
defeated geel by 11 points
lost to collingwood by 3 points
lost to bulldogs by 8 points

your side geelong could not even get within 2 goals of collingwood in round 19 and the premilinary final and you are the better team, we should have beaten them by about 3 goals at G in round 21, neil craig must be doing something right.


all you non crows supporters write us off next year has you have all through neil craigs era.

05 apparently bottom three
o7/08/09 going to miss the finals

we are closer to a premiership than all bottom 8 sides expect maybe melbourne

go through our list i reckon you will find quite a few young players who most teams would love have to in their team with no questions asked.[/quote]
there's your problem- if you guys were any good, you would've won those games instead of losing them all...
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Media Park » Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:42 am

I thought for a second that Clanger had plagiarized my fine self...

There's a whole thread on how to quote... Because I just choked on half a mouthful of Makers Mark... :(
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby sound4 » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:19 am

Brett Ratten - the list of No 1 Draft Pick guns on his list, he should be wiping everyone out of the park but is instead barely scraping into finals.
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Footy Smart » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:32 am

Rik E Boy wrote:
Hondo wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:You're right. That defeat that should never have happened was a brilliant coaching performance!

regards,

REB


That's like saying the Nick Davis goal blitz in the last quarter v Sydney in Sydney in that final was all Bomber Thompson's fault. It's just footy sometimes that things roll the right way at the right time for a team. Blightly likes to talk about the footy gods. He's a good example. At Geelong he couldn't win a flag at 3 attempts so you could assume there's some coaching flaw on GF day. Comes to Adelaide and he goes back to back first up.

Teams come back from deficits all the time. You can point to Massis v Franklin yet to 3 quarter time Massie had done a good job it was only the last quarter where Buddy got away from us however Buddy gets away from a lot of players and if Scott Thompson doesn't kick out on the full then Buddy doesn't even have that shot for goal.

My main point is pinning a game result solely on the coach. Yes, he is part of the equation but there's 22 players on the field who need to get the job done as well.

I am sure Geelong could have won 2 flags in 2007-2009 under more coaches than just Bomber Thompson. With that playing list even NC would have had 2 flags by now! ;)


I agree it's not solely the coach but you've worked mighty hard to provide excuses for Craig today. And how would Craig get us to two flags when we had to get by Collingwood twice ha ha.

regards,

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If you watched the game closely, no defender could have done anything to stop buddy getting his hands on the footy. Majority came from leads and quality delivery and Massie was our quickest defender in that game :oops: .

In todays game defenders are only as good as the midfield pressure and delivery allows them to be. On this occassion no other defender could have done any better.
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby gadj1976 » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:36 am

sound4 wrote:Brett Ratten - the list of No 1 Draft Pick guns on his list, he should be wiping everyone out of the park but is instead barely scraping into finals.


that's funny :D
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Hondo » Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:52 am

I know the style of SAFooty is to let threads go on forever except in exceptional circumstances but I reckon this is a classic example of a thread that just needs a bullet - ie, locked down.

There was some sensible discussion early and now it's a magnet for borderline trolls to vent off about coaches and teams they don't like.
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Footy Smart » Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:05 pm

cripple wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:
cripple wrote:When will supporters of the 14 non-adelaide teams in the AFL stop whinging and moaning about the favouritism and biased reporting the crows and power get.

Port don't get nearly as much media coverage here as the Crows do.

During the football season there is always more articles in the Advertiser/Sunday mail about the Crows than the Power, most are written by guys such as Chris McDermott who is the most one-eyed journalist in the whole country. When I go to watch the sports news on channel 7, 9 and 10 the first article is always about the Crows and it's always the longest article for the entire sports news, unless there's a big AFL story brewing eg. Ben Cousins.

To say that the Crows and Power have equal coverage is incorrect. The AFC have more money and a bigger supportor base than the PAFC, so it always has more coverage because more people want to know about the Crows than the Power.


I wasn't trying to say that port did get as much coverage and i am pretty sure i didn't. All i was saying is that i get sick and tired of people whinging about the adelaide based bias in the adelaide press. In terms of adelaide vs port coverage, there could be a valid argument into one team being favoured or getting more press then it deserves that would be far more credible. In relation to this topic, i am sure both coaches or adelaide based teams have had more then their fair share of scrutiny placed upon them over the years.


Please note page 88 and 89 in the Advertiser 4/11/10 ;)
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby cripple » Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:44 pm

Footy Smart wrote:
cripple wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:
cripple wrote:When will supporters of the 14 non-adelaide teams in the AFL stop whinging and moaning about the favouritism and biased reporting the crows and power get.

Port don't get nearly as much media coverage here as the Crows do.

During the football season there is always more articles in the Advertiser/Sunday mail about the Crows than the Power, most are written by guys such as Chris McDermott who is the most one-eyed journalist in the whole country. When I go to watch the sports news on channel 7, 9 and 10 the first article is always about the Crows and it's always the longest article for the entire sports news, unless there's a big AFL story brewing eg. Ben Cousins.

To say that the Crows and Power have equal coverage is incorrect. The AFC have more money and a bigger supportor base than the PAFC, so it always has more coverage because more people want to know about the Crows than the Power.


I wasn't trying to say that port did get as much coverage and i am pretty sure i didn't. All i was saying is that i get sick and tired of people whinging about the adelaide based bias in the adelaide press. In terms of adelaide vs port coverage, there could be a valid argument into one team being favoured or getting more press then it deserves that would be far more credible. In relation to this topic, i am sure both coaches or adelaide based teams have had more then their fair share of scrutiny placed upon them over the years.


Please note page 88 and 89 in the Advertiser 4/11/10 ;)



to bad i have forgotten what the advertiser looks like. bloody bictoria
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