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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby cripple » Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:15 pm

Media Park wrote:
Hondo wrote:That's at least 3 Sports scientists now off the top of my head! It's becoming harder and harder to use it as a criticism. Both Scott brothers and Neil Craig. I reckon Buckley is another.


Thus far, Neil Craig is the only one of those who have been "in the system" for a while, and sports science hasn't got any premierships yet- Brad Scott hasn't kicked off too well either... :roll:

Bad for us Cat fans... :(


I think you would find a lot of people willing to argue that point. In his first with a very young and unheralded group, to still have a chance of finals football in round 20/21 was a great effort IMO. The most intriguing aspect to the geelong appointment is how quick it came about compared to the drawn out processes other clubs have gone through in recent times.
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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby gadj1976 » Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:07 pm

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CoverKing wrote:Great appointment IMO!

I think he will be really good for the cats! IMO they probably needed a fresh face that will change the side around a bit, move on some older fellas, bring in some youngsters but still maintain success!

I reckon he will be great for the club! Be interesting to see if Sanderson stays on as an assistant!!


I agree with you CK. I only wish and hope that the fresh approach also applies to list management. An extra year for Milburn suggests otherwise.

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It will be interesting to see what Scott does with Milburn. Just because he's contracted doesn't mean he's in Scott's best 22. I wonder if he'll persist with him till Milburn gives him a chance to move him to the magoos, or whether he'll have to prove himself capable of playing in the starting 22 right from the outset.

I also wonder if Scott was on deck before trade week whether he would've jumped in and moved some of these older blokes on, then traded for better draft picks or tried to pick up younger players. Who knows now.
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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby X Runna » Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:02 pm

cripple wrote:
Media Park wrote:
Hondo wrote:That's at least 3 Sports scientists now off the top of my head! It's becoming harder and harder to use it as a criticism. Both Scott brothers and Neil Craig. I reckon Buckley is another.


Thus far, Neil Craig is the only one of those who have been "in the system" for a while, and sports science hasn't got any premierships yet- Brad Scott hasn't kicked off too well either... :roll:

Bad for us Cat fans... :(


I think you would find a lot of people willing to argue that point. In his first with a very young and unheralded group, to still have a chance of finals football in round 20/21 was a great effort IMO. The most intriguing aspect to the geelong appointment is how quick it came about compared to the drawn out processes other clubs have gone through in recent times.


I don't think there were too many candidates left. No disrespect to Scott, but who else was available who hadn't been categorically rejected already?
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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby Rik E Boy » Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:31 am

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Media Park wrote:http://sportal.com.au/afl-news-display/scott-among-new-breed-100410

There you go boys.


The Geelong Football Club says it regards Chris Scott as the first of a new breed of coach-managers, and his background in IT and sports science were every bit as important as his impressive CV as a player and assistant.


Looks like Geelong have gone for their very own Professor REB. ;)


At the least the players will be able to understand Scott ha ha. Good old mumbles. Plenty of people lining up to bag the Cats, well, t'is the season!

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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby Rik E Boy » Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:32 am

X Runna wrote:I don't think there were too many candidates left. No disrespect to Scott, but who else was available who hadn't been categorically rejected already?


Sanderson and Hinkley just to name two. Are you suggesting that we selected Scott because no one else was available? :?

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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby Dutchy » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:34 am

Early stages I know but Chris doesnt seem anywhere near as polished in front of the media as his brother, this is going to be real interesting to follow.
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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby X Runna » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:47 am

Rik E Boy wrote:
X Runna wrote:I don't think there were too many candidates left. No disrespect to Scott, but who else was available who hadn't been categorically rejected already?


Sanderson and Hinkley just to name two. Are you suggesting that we selected Scott because no one else was available? :?

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Yes and no..........the Cats obviously know plenty about both Sanderson & Hinkley and had ample time and opportunity to see whether they were up to it. Apparently, they weren't, or one of them would have landed the job.

The other available experienced coaches, Laidley & Williams - neither the right fit there. So then they would have looked at assistant coaches, a bit like a tornado and once it had all settled down........what respected assistant coaches who had been interviewed for senior jobs, missed out and then stayed at their current club were there aside from Scott & Sanderson? Lots of brand new contracts with the assistant coaches, and this early into them, would be very hard to break.

Apparently Scott came close to getting the Port job (far more well considered than Sanderson), so he must be well regarded by other clubs too now & then one last spot came up - bingo. Nobody else of note who would fit the bill was available....

So, not saying there was nobody else, but I am saying everybody else (barring Sanderson & Hinkley) had been interviewed for every other job going, and missed out on them, so maybe none of them were up to it. The shortlisting process had been done for the Cats by the other clubs and by the assistant coach merry-go-round. I'm sure the process would have been a lot longer and probably with a different result if Bomber had made his intentions clear a few weeks earlier.

See where I'm coming from now REB?
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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby Jim05 » Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:51 am

Well i believe scott was a certainty for port job but his last interview was such a shambles that primus got the gig. Only time will tell. Where does that leave sanderson and hinkley? Both seem good but are they both destined to be career assistants like brian royal?
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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby Rik E Boy » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:22 am

X Runna wrote:The shortlisting process had been done for the Cats by the other clubs and by the assistant coach merry-go-round.


Fair dinkum that is dead set rubbish. You're assuming here that all clubs have the same requirements for a coach for a start and that's a mighty big assumption. It might have the same job title but the requirements for each club would be completely different. Another assumption is that people 'aren't up to the job' just because they didn't get a gig. There are a lot more people trying to get the job than there are jobs available.

I reckon you're selling Scott short. At least give him the six games that Don Scott got ha ha. ;)

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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby Rik E Boy » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:25 am

Jim05 wrote:Well i believe scott was a certainty for port job but his last interview was such a shambles that primus got the gig. Only time will tell. Where does that leave sanderson and hinkley? Both seem good but are they both destined to be career assistants like brian royal?


BWAHAHA. Like they were ever going to pick anyone except Primus. A more insular club you will not find in the AFL. Even if his interview was a shambles, then he has already shown that he can learn from his mistakes. He's one up on Bomber already. 8)

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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby Rik E Boy » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:26 am

Dutchy wrote:Early stages I know but Chris doesnt seem anywhere near as polished in front of the media as his brother, this is going to be real interesting to follow.


As long as he's polished in the coaching box that's all I care about.

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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby Sojourner » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:34 am

Jim05 wrote:Well i believe scott was a certainty for port job but his last interview was such a shambles that primus got the gig. Only time will tell. Where does that leave sanderson and hinkley? Both seem good but are they both destined to be career assistants like brian royal?


Sanderson would probably be a good chance of returning to Geelong for at least this season and either moving to the Crows if an Assistants position becomes available, or he may well be a candidate for the Senior role depending on how the Crows perform this season. I think its unlikely that Neil Craig will get to many more opportunites to finish outside of the eight and remain in the top job.
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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby Jim05 » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:34 am

I wish him well. Give him a fair go and he might suprise everyone. He cant be worse than knights
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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby X Runna » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:43 am

Rik E Boy wrote:
X Runna wrote:The shortlisting process had been done for the Cats by the other clubs and by the assistant coach merry-go-round.


Fair dinkum that is dead set rubbish. You're assuming here that all clubs have the same requirements for a coach for a start and that's a mighty big assumption. It might have the same job title but the requirements for each club would be completely different. Another assumption is that people 'aren't up to the job' just because they didn't get a gig. There are a lot more people trying to get the job than there are jobs available.

I reckon you're selling Scott short. At least give him the six games that Don Scott got ha ha. ;)

regards,

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It's not rubbish at all REB. I have no doubt that whilst there are subtle requirement differences between clubs, they would not change too much. Leadership, direction, structure - all similar, game plan and style the variants.

I think Scott will do well with the list the way it will be, and don't think he will have too many shortcomings at all. FWIW, I think in the end it's a pretty good appointment.

Maybe you can answer a question for me.......according to this article, and I quote:
"In a thorough interview process that consisted of several exceptional candidates"
http://www.geelongcats.com.au/geelongne ... fault.aspx

Who were the other applicants? Seems to have been kept pretty hush hush. I could be completely wrong about the process, and the numbers of & quality of applicant, but I don't think so. It all just happened too quick......

Thanks in advance..........X
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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby X Runna » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:47 am

Jim05 wrote:I wish him well. Give him a fair go and he might suprise everyone. He cant be worse than knights


Can't think of anyone worse than Knights - EVER, and there have been some stinkers over the years.
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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby Mythical Creature » Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:49 am

Sojourner wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Well i believe scott was a certainty for port job but his last interview was such a shambles that primus got the gig. Only time will tell. Where does that leave sanderson and hinkley? Both seem good but are they both destined to be career assistants like brian royal?


Sanderson would probably be a good chance of returning to Geelong for at least this season and either moving to the Crows if an Assistants position becomes available, or he may well be a candidate for the Senior role depending on how the Crows perform this season. I think its unlikely that Neil Craig will get to many more opportunites to finish outside of the eight and remain in the top job.


Sando will stay at Geelong for next year only. Has been promised a job under Buckley for 4 years at Collingwood starting in 2012 if he doesn't get a senior coaching gig at the end of next season.
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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby Booney » Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:35 pm

Interesting that Brian Cook said about Scott that "The honeymoon was short and sweet, we fell in love with him in two weeks....."
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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby Booney » Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:37 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Well i believe scott was a certainty for port job but his last interview was such a shambles that primus got the gig. Only time will tell. Where does that leave sanderson and hinkley? Both seem good but are they both destined to be career assistants like brian royal?


BWAHAHA. Like they were ever going to pick anyone except Primus. A more insular club you will not find in the AFL. Even if his interview was a shambles, then he has already shown that he can learn from his mistakes. He's one up on Bomber already. 8)

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Word has it that Scott ballsed up his last presentation by asking for / intimating total control was what he wanted. Sure, Port may have had designs on Primus anyway, after his audition in the last 7 weeks of 2010, who could blame them.
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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby Booney » Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:39 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
X Runna wrote:The shortlisting process had been done for the Cats by the other clubs and by the assistant coach merry-go-round.


Fair dinkum that is dead set rubbish. You're assuming here that all clubs have the same requirements for a coach for a start and that's a mighty big assumption. It might have the same job title but the requirements for each club would be completely different. Another assumption is that people 'aren't up to the job' just because they didn't get a gig. There are a lot more people trying to get the job than there are jobs available.

I reckon you're selling Scott short. At least give him the six games that Don Scott got ha ha. ;)

regards,

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So why is it when a postition is made available that the same names come up for every club?

Runna is right, the list of genuine candidates was on a platter in front of the Cats.

Mind you, now is not the time to be critical of any of the new ( Primus, Hird, C.Scott, McKenna ) coaches and their ability.
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Re: Chris Scott new Cats coach

Postby Rik E Boy » Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:21 pm

Booney wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:
Jim05 wrote:Well i believe scott was a certainty for port job but his last interview was such a shambles that primus got the gig. Only time will tell. Where does that leave sanderson and hinkley? Both seem good but are they both destined to be career assistants like brian royal?


BWAHAHA. Like they were ever going to pick anyone except Primus. A more insular club you will not find in the AFL. Even if his interview was a shambles, then he has already shown that he can learn from his mistakes. He's one up on Bomber already. 8)

regards,

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Word has it that Scott ballsed up his last presentation by asking for / intimating total control was what he wanted. Sure, Port may have had designs on Primus anyway, after his audition in the last 7 weeks of 2010, who could blame them.


Total control? Hmm, that's a worry. It didn't work for Thompson so well in 2006..or for Port with Williams in the latter years. No, you can't blame Port for appointing Primus but my point stands.

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