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Postby whufc » Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:58 pm

i know its been happening for a lonf time BUT what is the logic reason in players going straight to the interchange bench after kicking a goal. every club is doing it almost after every single goal.
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Re: why?

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:25 pm

the other question is why are certain clubs complaining about a cap on interchanges whilst other clubs couldnt care less
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Re: why?

Postby RoosterMarty » Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:32 pm

It might be because after kicking a goal their adrenaline is pumping causing them to burn energy quicker. But I'm not 100% on that one.

Not something I'm a fan of, you should at least keep them out there for the next centre bounce.
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Re: why?

Postby spell_check » Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:35 pm

I remember when it was something out of the ordinary. It wan't that long ago, now it's every two out of three goals. :roll:
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Re: why?

Postby bloods08 » Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:36 pm

They might do something stupid and kick another goal.
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Re: why?

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:49 pm

it is ridiculous if a player is having a bad day at the office and kicks a goal it might just provide enough encouragement for them to think the wheel is turning for them, but to them have them taken off the ground must be dis-heartening......
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Re: why?

Postby Hondo » Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:00 pm

If you actually counted how many times they came off after a goal v how many times they didn't I think you'd find that it's not automatic after a goal. I think it's just coincidence and it's more that they interchange so frequently that it's moe likely to happen after a goal. At last year's final Crows v Essendon we were sitting up from the Crows interchange area and I was amazed how often they come on and off.

They have an assistant coach nowadays who's sole responsibility is the rotations and they make sure I presume everyone has a break after their short burst on the field. The rotations guys does it independently of the coach to some extent which surprised me but then the coach said if he did the rotations himself he'd have no time to do anything else and he'd miss the game :shock:
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Re: why?

Postby spell_check » Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:08 pm

It's great isn't it?
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Re: why?

Postby FlyingHigh » Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:10 pm

A couple of reasons could be:
With rotations and plays and so forth, that maybe at times the goal-kicker is the "specified" play-maker/goal kicker for that few minutes who has to work his arse off for those few minutes, and then needs a rest. His team-mates know, but is used to try to catch the opposition by surprise. I know our game doesn't allow for such specified "set-plays", but this is just an idea.
Perhaps it is done to upset the defender. He's used to a player playing in one way, has a goal kicked on him, and then instead of clamping down, has to face a different player with a different style.

Don't know about these though, because as a defender, nothing made me more anxious or doubting myself than have a couple of quick goals kicked on me by the same player.
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Re: why?

Postby am Bays » Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:21 pm

whufc wrote:i know its been happening for a lonf time BUT what is the logic reason in players going straight to the interchange bench after kicking a goal. every club is doing it almost after every single goal.


Basically with the introduction of the GPS units the Sports Scientists with every club know that the players can go flat out in their E4 HR zone for roughly 3-5 mins, which averages out at an interchange every 4 mins. So basically the players are told to interchange at the nearest appropropirate stoppage/break in play every 4 mins.

So they go flat out at an average of 20 km an hr (elite marathon pace) for four mins, a goal is scored so with 40s minimum break between a goal being scored and the ball up to fit in the ads (average 46s according to Anderson) a goal being scored is the best opportunity to do the interchange as they ahve 46 secs to speint 100 m (to get off) and then the interchange player can get on and into position before play starts again.

So if clubs are interchanging on average 4 players at the 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24 and 28 min mark thats 28 interchanges a qtr (112 a match). Some clubs like Collingwood and hawthorn like their players to go for 3 mins hence the 140 plus interchanges they get.

So basically players are told to go as hard as they can for 3-5 mins then at the earliest break in play off you come and a goal is the best time for that.
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Re: why?

Postby dedja » Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:39 pm

:-B
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Re: why?

Postby Hondo » Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:35 pm

Ignore my speculation everyone and refer instead to someone who obviously knows (am bays)
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Re: why?

Postby wooly » Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:57 pm

What a load of shite. Just rotations and these players have just bobbed up and kicked a goal.
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Re: why?

Postby The Dark Knight » Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:43 am

whufc wrote:i know its been happening for a lonf time BUT what is the logic reason in players going straight to the interchange bench after kicking a goal. every club is doing it almost after every single goal.

I think it happens because with the little break in play it gives the player who kicked the goal the opportunity to come off for a rest and gives the team to chance to rotate there midfielders/ forwards, or because they were told to go off earlier and they haven't yet had the chance to.
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Re: why?

Postby Psyber » Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:40 am

It's time to ban the interchange, except for injury, and support the endurance player rather than the short-term gymnast. ;)
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Re: why?

Postby spell_check » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:27 pm

I found a quote today from 1997 made by Mick Malthouse about the fourth interchange player. He might have been correct back then, but it took about a decade for him to renege:

"Wiser heads should get together and understand that we are not after more players to manipulate the game, but we're after 18 fit players out there not only this week but after week 22"
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Re: why?

Postby Sojourner » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:30 pm

Psyber wrote:It's time to ban the interchange, except for injury, and support the endurance player rather than the short-term gymnast. ;)


Totally agree, the bench is there for injured players, not as a coaching aid. Simply make a rule that if a player comes off then they cant come back on for the rest of the 1/4, which should then return the bench to what it was originally intended for.
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Re: why?

Postby dedja » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:32 pm

Yeah, and bring back lace up guernseys and black shorts ...
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Re: why?

Postby GWW » Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:41 pm

and the flick pass :)
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Re: why?

Postby Punk Rooster » Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:46 pm

I agree with less interchanges- let's slow the game down.
Let's have tired players making tired decisions, & we might find the natural footballer will get selected ahead of the natural athlete...
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