GSFL Movements

[damian]

It will be still Willunga first and then a big gap. The fight for second will continue in 2009 and Victor look to be the big improver.

With the recruits Creek have they will be up around the Willunga mark like in '06 and '07 i reckon. Strath to scrape into their 3rd spot. Agree Victor will improve again, but i think all sides will except maybe Myponga.

[teamwork]

We can only hope your right Damian someone needs to give Willunga a shake up, lets hope we dont get a repeat of 07 when Creeks dominated the comp only to loose the GF!!

[limb]

Limb i believe the league will certainly even up over the years but to the detriment of the standard of the league. Fair enough we want an even competition but the standard wont be there, guys will be getting an A grade game that arent A grade footballers. The comp this season is shaping up to be a real close one tho with any one of a number of sides going to push for a finals spot. Early wins will be important!

Interesting point there BJ, I think that most people see the points system bringing the overall standard of the league down but if you look at the 10 teams in the GSFL in 2009 you'd have to say that all clubs apart from Myponga look like they've probably improved from last year.

[Toughcall]

Agree Wow, slipped dramtically and take Willunga out of the competition and it would be division 2 Hills standard or the bottom clubs in Southern. The association team is made up of mainly Willunga players and so is the zone footy so they prop the GSFL up quite a bit.

[Scout]

How will edwardstown fair ? Also how are Morphie Park going.?

[HH3]

How will edwardstown fair ? Also how are Morphie Park going.?

Both of those teams are in the SFL, not GSFL.

[damian]

I dont think the current point system will even up the comp at all. It will put a bigger gap between the top & bottom sides and make it tougher for bottom sides to recruit. I dont think anyone ever imagined that player payments would rise so much so quickly. They need to stagger the points allocated between top & bottom, the bottom sides need to be able to recruit 7-10 players to even up the comp quickly, the Gsfl i believe was once a premier country league but not anymore. Feel free to agree or disagree.

I'll go with a bias approach WOW and dissagree to get some talk happening...The points may need to be looked at again in the next couple of years to allow for bottom 4 clubs to recruit another 1 or 2 players more than the top 6 teams but i still think the GSFL will remain a very strong country league. All leagues have different styles of footy, Hills league, from what i have seen is very fast, not as many talls, plenty of run and skills spot on; GSFL the footy is quite 'open' allowing the better sides to really hurt teams with quick ball movement; SFL and RMFL games are won more from the midfield, in and around packs.. That is just my observation. The GSFL will continue to attract big name players and all clubs should have (with recruits included) a minimum 22-25 A grade quality players to choose from each week. It is now all about retaining the players you have got and building over multiple seasons, there will be no more quick fixes for bottom clubs which i think is the healthiest thing for the league. Lastly TC, i really don't think the standard of our league is as bad as the bottom teams in the SFL, there is a big gap between top 6 and the bottom 8 in the SFL, i think the bottom 3 clubs of the GSFL would on par with Flaggies. There is a lot more depth with the teams in the GSFL.

[Scout]

worked that out after i posted sorry

[BJ Ernest]

Limb i believe the league will certainly even up over the years but to the detriment of the standard of the league. Fair enough we want an even competition but the standard wont be there, guys will be getting an A grade game that arent A grade footballers. The comp this season is shaping up to be a real close one tho with any one of a number of sides going to push for a finals spot. Early wins will be important!

Interesting point there BJ, I think that most people see the points system bringing the overall standard of the league down but if you look at the 10 teams in the GSFL in 2009 you'd have to say that all clubs apart from Myponga look like they've probably improved from last year.

This season i think the pack will get tighter. Willunga may drop a little and the rest will probably stay pretty similar with creeks and victor to improve the most (only going on recruits, no knowledge of preseasons etc). Sides this year have pushed harder to max out their points so next year if they manage to keep these recruits the standard may improve. If you lose a local or 2 tho u cant replace him so say you lose Dellatore u cant replace him with a recruit. So your team drops significantly. I get back to the big exodus from E Bay in 07. If there were a points system they would have been in deep, deep sh*t and have no way of rebuilding quickly. If this happens to 2-3 sides the comp will struggle to be competitive. The clubs that are furhter from town benefit least from this as I personally live near town now, and the drive to Willunga is bad enough, throw in an extra half an hour/40 mins to Goolwa, Victor, E Bay, Yankalilla and these recruited players wont want to do it forever thus not sticking around for a long time, points system ineffective in that regard!

As time goes on some clubs will be lucky enough to maintain a solid list and be able to replenish it with 1-2 players per year as the point players drop a point per season. Lose 4 players tho, 2 locals and 2 recruits will make it impossible to be as good as the previous year.

[teamwork]

Good points made BJ I was speaking with some Victor members and they are concerned about the points system as over the past 3 years they have had 14 (I think) local players go to play at CLG due to all living in town now. With this system in place regaurdless of each individuals ability this type of walk out will leave long term holes that may never be filled!

[damian]

Good points made BJ I was speaking with some Victor members and they are concerned about the points system as over the past 3 years they have had 14 (I think) local players go to play at CLG due to all living in town now. With this system in place regaurdless of each individuals ability this type of walk out will leave long term holes that may never be filled!

If a player leaves such as Todd Heinrich, who has left Victor to play for CLG, does he not return as a local player??? Or would he attract points???

[limb]

Provided you've played juniors or at least 25 senior games for the club you can return whenever you like from wherever you like and be a zero point player.

[words of wisdom]

Limb i believe the league will certainly even up over the years but to the detriment of the standard of the league. Fair enough we want an even competition but the standard wont be there, guys will be getting an A grade game that arent A grade footballers. The comp this season is shaping up to be a real close one tho with any one of a number of sides going to push for a finals spot. Early wins will be important!

Interesting point there BJ, I think that most people see the points system bringing the overall standard of the league down but if you look at the 10 teams in the GSFL in 2009 you'd have to say that all clubs apart from Myponga look like they've probably improved from last year.

Bays, Strath, Mclarens, Compass, Yank, Willunga, maybe the Magpies (not sure of there outs) have improved?? I know its early but how so?

[teamwork]

Good points made BJ I was speaking with some Victor members and they are concerned about the points system as over the past 3 years they have had 14 (I think) local players go to play at CLG due to all living in town now. With this system in place regaurdless of each individuals ability this type of walk out will leave long term holes that may never be filled!

If a player leaves such as Todd Heinrich, who has left Victor to play for CLG, does he not return as a local player??? Or would he attract points???

He has played Jnr football at Victor so I would think he would return as a local.

[words of wisdom]

I dont think the current point system will even up the comp at all. It will put a bigger gap between the top & bottom sides and make it tougher for bottom sides to recruit. I dont think anyone ever imagined that player payments would rise so much so quickly. They need to stagger the points allocated between top & bottom, the bottom sides need to be able to recruit 7-10 players to even up the comp quickly, the Gsfl i believe was once a premier country league but not anymore. Feel free to agree or disagree.

I'll go with a bias approach WOW and dissagree to get some talk happening...The points may need to be looked at again in the next couple of years to allow for bottom 4 clubs to recruit another 1 or 2 players more than the top 6 teams but i still think the GSFL will remain a very strong country league. All leagues have different styles of footy, Hills league, from what i have seen is very fast, not as many talls, plenty of run and skills spot on; GSFL the footy is quite 'open' allowing the better sides to really hurt teams with quick ball movement; SFL and RMFL games are won more from the midfield, in and around packs.. That is just my observation. The GSFL will continue to attract big name players and all clubs should have (with recruits included) a minimum 22-25 A grade quality players to choose from each week. It is now all about retaining the players you have got and building over multiple seasons, there will be no more quick fixes for bottom clubs which i think is the healthiest thing for the league. Lastly TC, i really don't think the standard of our league is as bad as the bottom teams in the SFL, there is a big gap between top 6 and the bottom 8 in the SFL, i think the bottom 3 clubs of the GSFL would on par with Flaggies. There is a lot more depth with the teams in the GSFL.

I agree that the gsfl is no where near the level of Div 2 hills(no offence) but the Gsfl is not as good as it used to be. Over time the Gsfl will not be able to attract big name players. How could pongy or yank justify using 4 or 5 points out of 11-14 points on 1 player. The point system will clearly advantage the larger towns if left as is. Also, example Willunga, one of the best on & off field clubs/teams in country SA. What happens in a few years when half of there a's & some of there b's retire? (Apart from the old bull Baxter) To no fault of there own, how long will it take for them to rebuild??

[Orange Slicer]

who knows the situation with Neil Reeve? As far as i know he is training at South. Is he planning on playing at Victor if he doesn't get a game there? and what would the points implications be if he did? I assume he would still have points left as last year was his first year at the roos. And would his points change if he was to play some reserves at the panthers first?

don't know but i would guess Victor would be approaching their points limit with the inclusions listed on the gsfl site.

[The Yetti]

Posts today have been very good reading!! Very good.
The standard IS STILL very high in the GSFL and I have been involved since 1986

We should all be aiming at getting as good as Willunga, and not waiting for them to slip back to a level that we can challenge them.

Willunga only recruited 2 players last year and only a couple this year....Why?
Good junior programme, Good Coaches, retention of players and financially viable
Simple as that

[damian]

Provided you've played juniors or at least 25 senior games for the club you can return whenever you like from wherever you like and be a zero point player.

So what would happen if an ex AFL player (which i believe are worth 5 points) laces up the boots for 2 seasons at a GSFL club, plays his minimum 25 games and is reduced to a 3point player after the 2 seasons. He then leaves the club for a year, only to return as:

A) Still a 3 point player

or

B) A local player

???????????????????????????

[limb]

That's a good question damian! I think the rule was intended for people that played their 25 games for the club in the pre-points system era however that could be a potential loophole.

[Micky Conlan]

I can only imagine how good the standard of the gsfl would be this year if all those halfwits that voted the pts system in, had any idea what they were actually voting for.I believe we would no doubt have clubs pushing Willunga more so than ever,imagine what sort of a side the creek could come up with without the pts system.