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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby tigerpie » Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:37 pm

With Cox knocking back the coasters deal, did he see this coming?
Was it the plan that no premiership Longmire would step aside?
I just find it a little odd.
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby woodublieve12 » Tue Nov 26, 2024 8:44 pm

As a life long swans fan. I am genuinely sad horse has stood down. Can't believe I have sad feelings about this. Since 92 when I jumped on board it's basically been roos and horse. Yes made was there too. But he's rubbish. Horse was amazing. I love roos for his defensive style and pressure. But horse added more. He deserved atleast 2 more flags. His players let him down. Maybe that was the final nail.

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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby MW » Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:15 am

tigerpie wrote:With Cox knocking back the coasters deal, did he see this coming?
Was it the plan that no premiership Longmire would step aside?
I just find it a little odd.


No doubt there would have been discussions on a succession between Horse and Cox. Horse said himself he was toying with the idea of quitting during the season last year. Nothing odd about it...Cox saw the writing on the wall and chose to wait Horse out and it came quicker than expected.
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby Brodlach » Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:50 am

People trying to make stuff out of nothing

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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby dedja » Wed Nov 27, 2024 10:53 am

MW wrote:
tigerpie wrote:With Cox knocking back the coasters deal, did he see this coming?
Was it the plan that no premiership Longmire would step aside?
I just find it a little odd.


No doubt there would have been discussions on a succession between Horse and Cox. Horse said himself he was toying with the idea of quitting during the season last year. Nothing odd about it...Cox saw the writing on the wall and chose to wait Horse out and it came quicker than expected.


Plus Horse stated that he was open with the club that it would be his last contract, so Cox would have known that he was a big chance to take over in 2026.

Proper succession planning, who’d have thunk?
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby amber_fluid » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:15 pm

dedja wrote:
MW wrote:
tigerpie wrote:With Cox knocking back the coasters deal, did he see this coming?
Was it the plan that no premiership Longmire would step aside?
I just find it a little odd.


No doubt there would have been discussions on a succession between Horse and Cox. Horse said himself he was toying with the idea of quitting during the season last year. Nothing odd about it...Cox saw the writing on the wall and chose to wait Horse out and it came quicker than expected.


Plus Horse stated that he was open with the club that it would be his last contract, so Cox would have known that he was a big chance to take over in 2026.

Proper succession planning, who’d have thunk?


Not sure Longmire hanging around is the greatest outcome though.
Has a succession plan ever worked?
Think Buckley/Malthouse and then Clarko/Mitchell of late that didn’t work(or have time too)
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby dedja » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:18 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
dedja wrote:
MW wrote:
tigerpie wrote:With Cox knocking back the coasters deal, did he see this coming?
Was it the plan that no premiership Longmire would step aside?
I just find it a little odd.


No doubt there would have been discussions on a succession between Horse and Cox. Horse said himself he was toying with the idea of quitting during the season last year. Nothing odd about it...Cox saw the writing on the wall and chose to wait Horse out and it came quicker than expected.


Plus Horse stated that he was open with the club that it would be his last contract, so Cox would have known that he was a big chance to take over in 2026.

Proper succession planning, who’d have thunk?


Not sure Longmire hanging around is the greatest outcome though.
Has a succession plan ever worked?
Think Buckley/Malthouse and then Clarko/Mitchell of late that didn’t work(or have time too)


Roos -> Longmire 2011, flag 2012
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby amber_fluid » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:21 pm

dedja wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
dedja wrote:
MW wrote:
No doubt there would have been discussions on a succession between Horse and Cox. Horse said himself he was toying with the idea of quitting during the season last year. Nothing odd about it...Cox saw the writing on the wall and chose to wait Horse out and it came quicker than expected.


Plus Horse stated that he was open with the club that it would be his last contract, so Cox would have known that he was a big chance to take over in 2026.

Proper succession planning, who’d have thunk?


Not sure Longmire hanging around is the greatest outcome though.
Has a succession plan ever worked?
Think Buckley/Malthouse and then Clarko/Mitchell of late that didn’t work(or have time too)


Roos -> Longmire 2011, flag 2012


Good call
Your memories way better than mine.

Any others in the last 20 years that did or didn’t work?
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby dedja » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:26 pm

No others have been successful IIRC.
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby Spargo » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:40 pm

dedja wrote:No others have been successful IIRC.

If a flag is the marker then the Roos > Goodwin scenario has to be considered successful (my personal thoughts on Goodwin aside)…
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby dedja » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:43 pm

Spargo wrote:
dedja wrote:No others have been successful IIRC.

If a flag is the marker then the Roos > Goodwin scenario has to be considered successful (my personal thoughts on Goodwin aside)…


Yep, god pickup.
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby Booney » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:45 pm

Malthouse to Buckley only missed a flag because of a Dom Sheed kick, that was a success.
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:53 pm

Even Eddie admitted the succession plan didn't work at Collingwood
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby dedja » Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:05 pm

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Even Eddie admitted the succession plan didn't work at Collingwood



Was very amicable :lol:
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby Booney » Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:31 pm

Be an interesting watch back in 3-4 years time.

Port lost Houston for Berry and Whitlock.

I believe we had Berry rated at #10, got him at #15. We had Whitlock around #15 and got him with pick #33 and he was widely regarded as a real slider.
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby Booney » Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:31 pm

Be an interesting watch back in 3-4 years time.

Port lost Houston for Berry and Whitlock.

I believe we had Berry rated at #10, got him at #15. We had Whitlock around #15 and got him with pick #33 and he was widely regarded as a real slider.
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby MW » Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:43 pm

The ranking system is irrelevant if the player is available at the time but doesn't suit a clubs needs so they drop down the order.

For Port, the real story will be if you struggle again in finals because you are lacking a running half back who tops the metres gained column and relying on the younger less experienced players.

Every year or so Port seem to trade away a star (no fault of your own, they ask to leave mostly) for top draft picks, but to win the flag I think you need to be more stubborn and hold onto them rather than losing them for rookies who will take time.

Take Houston for example, if you kept him, probably a much bigger chance to play in a GF in 2025 than having Berry and Whitlock. Do you hold him to his contract, potentially win a flag in 2025 and then trade him for less value on the trade, but the value of winning a flag trumps all?

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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby Armchair expert » Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:21 pm

Who have Port lost apart from Houston that could be considered a star?

Duursma
Amon
Wingard
Ladhams
Howard
Ryder
Polec

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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby Booney » Thu Nov 28, 2024 3:30 pm

Armchair expert wrote:Who have Port lost apart from Houston that could be considered a star?

Duursma
Amon
Wingard
Ladhams
Howard
Ryder
Polec

If anything I think Ports issue is more trading in players than trading out players


As I've said previously you have to go back to Burgoyne to find one that has become a better player after leaving us.

We most certainly got the most out of Wingard, Ladhams, Howard, Ryder and Polec. Duursma is TBC and Amon has remained a useful player.

We can't be accused of sitting on our hands, that's for sure.
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Re: 2024 AFL Silly Season

Postby Zelezny Chucks » Thu Nov 28, 2024 4:16 pm

Impey looks a better player at Hawthorn
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