Jockey Challenge
Re: Jockey Challenge
by mighty_tiger_79 » Thu May 06, 2010 7:20 pm
the other issue is, did his horses deserve to be at those odds?
Matty Wade is a star and deserves more respect from the forum family!
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by overloaded » Thu May 06, 2010 8:37 pm
on form ...Yes
complete dud
complete dud
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by Mr_Willy » Thu May 06, 2010 8:39 pm
Far from a dud.... He had an awesome day not long ago riding 5 winners when we all backed him at $13.....
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by overloaded » Thu May 06, 2010 8:46 pm
Have a look at the figures over time mate. not just one flukey day where he got up for you because he picked up a couple of rides before sportingbet realized.. have a look at his profit levels in the last 5 years....all in the negative..... with a grand total of -$48.8%. keep dreaming
Career .....Win Win% Place Place% Rides PM G1(w) G2(w) G3(w) LR(w) Profit POT
2009/10 ....34 11% 66 21% 320 $463,600 0 0 0 0 -1,068 -33.4%
2008/09 ....10 3% 28 9% 300 $152,800 0 0 0 0 -2,075 -69.2%
2007/08 ....30 6% 87 17% 508 $687,100 0 0 0 0 -2,939 -57.9%
2006/07 .....47 7% 109 16% 700 $938,150 0 0 0 0 -3,719 -53.1%
2005/06 ....40 8% 77 15% 517 $625,075 0 0 0 0 -1,651 -31.9%
2004/05 .....1 6% 4 25% 16 $14,700 0 0 0 0 -60 -37.5%
Total for these seasons 162 7% 371 16% 2361 $2,881k 0 0 0 0 -11,512 ]-48.8%
Career .....Win Win% Place Place% Rides PM G1(w) G2(w) G3(w) LR(w) Profit POT
2009/10 ....34 11% 66 21% 320 $463,600 0 0 0 0 -1,068 -33.4%
2008/09 ....10 3% 28 9% 300 $152,800 0 0 0 0 -2,075 -69.2%
2007/08 ....30 6% 87 17% 508 $687,100 0 0 0 0 -2,939 -57.9%
2006/07 .....47 7% 109 16% 700 $938,150 0 0 0 0 -3,719 -53.1%
2005/06 ....40 8% 77 15% 517 $625,075 0 0 0 0 -1,651 -31.9%
2004/05 .....1 6% 4 25% 16 $14,700 0 0 0 0 -60 -37.5%
Total for these seasons 162 7% 371 16% 2361 $2,881k 0 0 0 0 -11,512 ]-48.8%
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by overloaded » Thu May 06, 2010 8:51 pm
He is even worse than Paul Gatt at the profit percentages..... 
PAUL GATT
Career Win Win% Place Place% Rides PM G1(w) G2(w) G3(w) LR(w) Profit POT
2009/10 64 14% 115 25% 459 $1,137,400 0 0 0 2 -1,745 -38.0%
2008/09 88 16% 136 24% 561 $1,361,035 0 0 0 2 -2,363 -42.1%
2007/08 80 16% 114 23% 505 $1,114,060 0 0 1 1 -1,289 -25.5%
2006/07 94 16% 142 24% 588 $1,374,990 0 0 0 1 -1,819 -30.9%
2005/06 91 17% 117 22% 539 $1,611,528 0 1 3 4 -1,748 -32.4%
2004/05 51 15% 85 24% 347 $934,190 1 0 1 3 -643 -18.5%
2003/04 80 14% 132 23% 574 $1,317,310 0 0 2 5 -1,785 -31.1%
2002/03 63 15% 90 21% 432 $769,595 0 0 0 1 -879 -20.3%
Total for these seasons 611 15% 931 23% 4005 $9,620k 1 7 19 28 -12,271 -30.6%
PAUL GATT
Career Win Win% Place Place% Rides PM G1(w) G2(w) G3(w) LR(w) Profit POT
2009/10 64 14% 115 25% 459 $1,137,400 0 0 0 2 -1,745 -38.0%
2008/09 88 16% 136 24% 561 $1,361,035 0 0 0 2 -2,363 -42.1%
2007/08 80 16% 114 23% 505 $1,114,060 0 0 1 1 -1,289 -25.5%
2006/07 94 16% 142 24% 588 $1,374,990 0 0 0 1 -1,819 -30.9%
2005/06 91 17% 117 22% 539 $1,611,528 0 1 3 4 -1,748 -32.4%
2004/05 51 15% 85 24% 347 $934,190 1 0 1 3 -643 -18.5%
2003/04 80 14% 132 23% 574 $1,317,310 0 0 2 5 -1,785 -31.1%
2002/03 63 15% 90 21% 432 $769,595 0 0 0 1 -879 -20.3%
Total for these seasons 611 15% 931 23% 4005 $9,620k 1 7 19 28 -12,271 -30.6%
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by Mr_Willy » Fri May 07, 2010 9:56 am
Would be interesting to see ALL jockeys.... You've also got to remember that these good jockeys are also more likely to be riding favourites so when they win their POT won't improve much, yet some of the other jockeys may have a good POT but they don't get as many points in the JC's...
And to me, Wharton looks like a jockey on the improve....
And to me, Wharton looks like a jockey on the improve....
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by Mop Up » Fri May 07, 2010 10:03 am
Sorry for my ignorance but what does POT stand for and how is it worked out?
Re: Jockey Challenge
by Mr_Willy » Fri May 07, 2010 10:05 am
Mop Up wrote:Sorry for my ignorance but what does POT stand for and how is it worked out?
Profit on Turnover...... Normally profit based on a 1 unit investment
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by overloaded » Fri May 07, 2010 10:29 am
Mr_Willy wrote:And to me, Wharton looks like a jockey on the improve....
After 20 years in the saddle you would hope so
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by Mr_Willy » Fri May 07, 2010 11:03 am
What do people like today? Normally a good day Friday.. Done a little bit of study this morning so ready for a crack....
JOCK MstPts ORANGE - Leading Point Scorer
49701 RYAN Greg 1.30 $
49702 JONES Terry 8.50 $
49703 CAVALLO Anthony 10.00 $
49704 GALEA Joe 13.00 $
49705 HYERONIMUS Adam 17.00 $
49706 ADAMS Josh 17.00 $
49707 BENSLEY Richard 21.00 $
49708 ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL JOCKEY 26.00
Ryan is obviously the one to beat but he is way shorter than I thought he would be. Hyeronimus, Cavallo and Adams the best of the rest I reckon.
JOCK MstPts WAGGA - Leading Point Scorer
49691 SHINN Blake 2.40 $
49692 BOWMAN Hugh 3.20 $
49693 ANGLAND Tye 4.80 $
49694 WARD Brendan 12.00 $
49695 BUCKLEY Grant 12.00 $
49696 REITH Christian 16.00 $
49697 SWEENEY Kevin 16.00 $
49698 ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL JOCKEY 15.00
Nothing between the top 3 here. One of them should be winning. Sweeney the only outside option with the rides to figure.
JOCK MstPts SUNSHINE COAST - Leading Point Scorer
49711 BYRNE Jim 1.30 $
49712 GRIFFIN Daniel 6.00 $
49713 BROWNE Damian 9.00 $
49714 SAWYERS Kenne 16.00 $
49715 CAHILL Michael 21.00 $
49716 HOLDER Jason 31.00 $
49717 WHARTON Kelvin 41.00 $
49718 ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL JOCKEY 21.00 $
Another short one, and Byrne has 6 point scoring chances in the 8 races. I reckon Browne is the one to beat him if anybody does. Will be coming home late, so might be worth waiting until after the first race or two... but if Byrne stuffs up the first or first two I think Browne's odds will tumble
JOCK MstPts BENDIGO - Leading Point Scorer
49681 WINKS James 2.40 $
49682 SYMONS Chris 2.70 $
49683 EGAN Billy 7.00 $
49684 RAWILLER Brad 10.00 $
49685 STANLEY Brent 26.00 $
49686 HOLLAND Dean 26.00 $
49687 MELHAM Ben 41.00 $
49688 ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL JOCKEY 7.00
A very open JC I think. Holland not without a chance but would need to win races 1 and 6 - has another that could score and would need every point. I give chances to all of the top 3 as well as Holland, Stanley and Murphy (AOJ)
JOCK MstPts ORANGE - Leading Point Scorer
49701 RYAN Greg 1.30 $
49702 JONES Terry 8.50 $
49703 CAVALLO Anthony 10.00 $
49704 GALEA Joe 13.00 $
49705 HYERONIMUS Adam 17.00 $
49706 ADAMS Josh 17.00 $
49707 BENSLEY Richard 21.00 $
49708 ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL JOCKEY 26.00
Ryan is obviously the one to beat but he is way shorter than I thought he would be. Hyeronimus, Cavallo and Adams the best of the rest I reckon.
JOCK MstPts WAGGA - Leading Point Scorer
49691 SHINN Blake 2.40 $
49692 BOWMAN Hugh 3.20 $
49693 ANGLAND Tye 4.80 $
49694 WARD Brendan 12.00 $
49695 BUCKLEY Grant 12.00 $
49696 REITH Christian 16.00 $
49697 SWEENEY Kevin 16.00 $
49698 ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL JOCKEY 15.00
Nothing between the top 3 here. One of them should be winning. Sweeney the only outside option with the rides to figure.
JOCK MstPts SUNSHINE COAST - Leading Point Scorer
49711 BYRNE Jim 1.30 $
49712 GRIFFIN Daniel 6.00 $
49713 BROWNE Damian 9.00 $
49714 SAWYERS Kenne 16.00 $
49715 CAHILL Michael 21.00 $
49716 HOLDER Jason 31.00 $
49717 WHARTON Kelvin 41.00 $
49718 ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL JOCKEY 21.00 $
Another short one, and Byrne has 6 point scoring chances in the 8 races. I reckon Browne is the one to beat him if anybody does. Will be coming home late, so might be worth waiting until after the first race or two... but if Byrne stuffs up the first or first two I think Browne's odds will tumble
JOCK MstPts BENDIGO - Leading Point Scorer
49681 WINKS James 2.40 $
49682 SYMONS Chris 2.70 $
49683 EGAN Billy 7.00 $
49684 RAWILLER Brad 10.00 $
49685 STANLEY Brent 26.00 $
49686 HOLLAND Dean 26.00 $
49687 MELHAM Ben 41.00 $
49688 ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL JOCKEY 7.00
A very open JC I think. Holland not without a chance but would need to win races 1 and 6 - has another that could score and would need every point. I give chances to all of the top 3 as well as Holland, Stanley and Murphy (AOJ)
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by brent-83 » Fri May 07, 2010 11:17 am
Similar thoughts to you Willy.
I stayed away from Orange, too many unreliable and unknown jockeys/horses for me.
Byrne hard to beat at the Sunshine Coast, and definitely more relaible than Wharton. Can't see him not getting enough points to win, but I thought the same yesterday with Wharton...
In Sydney, I rated Shinn & Angland followed by Bowman then a gap to Sweeney/Reith a chance, in that order. I don't mind the value about Angland.
Bendigo, I had Holland, Winks and Symons as my top chances, although by looking at the prices, I don't know if I like the value around Symons.
Might work just a few multies around Winks/Symons & Shinn/Angland & Byrne.
I stayed away from Orange, too many unreliable and unknown jockeys/horses for me.
Byrne hard to beat at the Sunshine Coast, and definitely more relaible than Wharton. Can't see him not getting enough points to win, but I thought the same yesterday with Wharton...
In Sydney, I rated Shinn & Angland followed by Bowman then a gap to Sweeney/Reith a chance, in that order. I don't mind the value about Angland.
Bendigo, I had Holland, Winks and Symons as my top chances, although by looking at the prices, I don't know if I like the value around Symons.
Might work just a few multies around Winks/Symons & Shinn/Angland & Byrne.
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by brent-83 » Fri May 07, 2010 11:22 am
James WINKS 2.70
Chris SYMONS 3.50
William EGAN 4.80
Any Other Individual Jockey 5.50
Brad RAWILLER 8.50
Brent STANLEY 17.00
Dean HOLLAND 21.00
Ben MELHAM 31.00
Most Points ORANGE 3-2-1 (Fri) 07/05
Start:
Venue: Orange
Closing:
Market is open.
Win Only. Dead Heat Rule applies. All wagers on JC are on a 'All-in' basis. Multi Betting with other JC Markets Only. 3 points for a winning ride. 2 points for a second placed ride. 1 point for a third placed ride. Live: By Phone (Between Races)
Most Points ORANGE 3-2-1 (Fri) 07/05 - Winner
Greg RYAN 1.40
Joe GALEA 7.50
Terry JONES 9.00
Anthony CAVALLO 11.00
Josh ADAMS 11.00
Richard BENSLEY 15.00
Adam HYERONIMUS 19.00
Any Other Individual Jockey 21.00
Most Points WAGGA 3-2-1 (Fri) 07/05
Start:
Venue: Wagga
Closing:
Market is open.
Win Only. Dead Heat Rule applies. All wagers on JC are on a 'All-in' basis. Multi Betting with other JC Markets Only. 3 points for a winning ride. 2 points for a second placed ride. 1 point for a third placed ride. Live: By Phone (Between Races)
Most Points WAGGA 3-2-1 (Fri) 07/05 - Winner
Blake SHINN 2.20
Hugh BOWMAN 3.40
Tye ANGLAND 5.50
Grant BUCKLEY 12.00
Any Other Individual Jockey 15.00
Brendan WARD 15.00
Christian REITH 17.00
Kevin SWEENEY 21.00
Most Points SUNSHINE COAST 3-2-1 (Fri) 07/05
Start:
Venue: Sunshine Coast
Closing:
Market is open.
Win Only. Dead Heat Rule applies. All wagers on JC are on a 'All-in' basis. Multi Betting with other JC Markets Only. 3 points for a winning ride. 2 points for a second placed ride. 1 point for a third placed ride. Live: By Phone (Between Races)
Most Points SUNSHINE COAST 3-2-1 (Fri) 07/05 - Winner
Jim BYRNE 1.22
Daniel GRIFFIN 7.00
Damian BROWNE 8.50
Kenne SAWYERS 17.00
Michael CAHILL 17.00
Any Other Individual Jockey 21.00
Jason HOLDER 31.00
Kelvin WHARTON 41.00
Centrebet.
Chris SYMONS 3.50
William EGAN 4.80
Any Other Individual Jockey 5.50
Brad RAWILLER 8.50
Brent STANLEY 17.00
Dean HOLLAND 21.00
Ben MELHAM 31.00
Most Points ORANGE 3-2-1 (Fri) 07/05
Start:
Venue: Orange
Closing:
Market is open.
Win Only. Dead Heat Rule applies. All wagers on JC are on a 'All-in' basis. Multi Betting with other JC Markets Only. 3 points for a winning ride. 2 points for a second placed ride. 1 point for a third placed ride. Live: By Phone (Between Races)
Most Points ORANGE 3-2-1 (Fri) 07/05 - Winner
Greg RYAN 1.40
Joe GALEA 7.50
Terry JONES 9.00
Anthony CAVALLO 11.00
Josh ADAMS 11.00
Richard BENSLEY 15.00
Adam HYERONIMUS 19.00
Any Other Individual Jockey 21.00
Most Points WAGGA 3-2-1 (Fri) 07/05
Start:
Venue: Wagga
Closing:
Market is open.
Win Only. Dead Heat Rule applies. All wagers on JC are on a 'All-in' basis. Multi Betting with other JC Markets Only. 3 points for a winning ride. 2 points for a second placed ride. 1 point for a third placed ride. Live: By Phone (Between Races)
Most Points WAGGA 3-2-1 (Fri) 07/05 - Winner
Blake SHINN 2.20
Hugh BOWMAN 3.40
Tye ANGLAND 5.50
Grant BUCKLEY 12.00
Any Other Individual Jockey 15.00
Brendan WARD 15.00
Christian REITH 17.00
Kevin SWEENEY 21.00
Most Points SUNSHINE COAST 3-2-1 (Fri) 07/05
Start:
Venue: Sunshine Coast
Closing:
Market is open.
Win Only. Dead Heat Rule applies. All wagers on JC are on a 'All-in' basis. Multi Betting with other JC Markets Only. 3 points for a winning ride. 2 points for a second placed ride. 1 point for a third placed ride. Live: By Phone (Between Races)
Most Points SUNSHINE COAST 3-2-1 (Fri) 07/05 - Winner
Jim BYRNE 1.22
Daniel GRIFFIN 7.00
Damian BROWNE 8.50
Kenne SAWYERS 17.00
Michael CAHILL 17.00
Any Other Individual Jockey 21.00
Jason HOLDER 31.00
Kelvin WHARTON 41.00
Centrebet.
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by brent-83 » Fri May 07, 2010 11:26 am
$7 Winks/Shinn/Byrne @ 7.247 - $50.73
$6 Winks/Angland/Byrne @ 18.117 - $108.70
$6 Symons/Shinn/Byrne @ 9.394 - $56.36
$6 Symons/Angland/Byrne @ 23.485 - $140.91
$6 Winks/Angland/Byrne @ 18.117 - $108.70
$6 Symons/Shinn/Byrne @ 9.394 - $56.36
$6 Symons/Angland/Byrne @ 23.485 - $140.91
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by Mr_Willy » Fri May 07, 2010 12:16 pm
I've just gone some small multis around
Holland/Winks/Stanley
Hyeronimos/Cavallo/Galea
Browne/Byrne
Sweeney/Shinn
Only using Byrne and Shinn to try and add a little bit more to the combos....
Holland/Winks/Stanley
Hyeronimos/Cavallo/Galea
Browne/Byrne
Sweeney/Shinn
Only using Byrne and Shinn to try and add a little bit more to the combos....
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by Mop Up » Fri May 07, 2010 12:48 pm
Symons/Adams/Shinn @ 84 $5
Symons/Ryan/Shinn @ 9 $5
Symons/Adams/Buckley @ 588 $2
Symons/Ryan/Buckley @ 60 $3
Holland/Ryan/Buckley @ 630 $2
Holland/Adams/Buckley @ 6076 $2
Holland/Adams/Shinn @ 850 $1
Holland/Ryan/Shinn @ 90 $2
20 Adams @ 14
10 Buckley @ 14
Symons/Ryan/Shinn @ 9 $5
Symons/Adams/Buckley @ 588 $2
Symons/Ryan/Buckley @ 60 $3
Holland/Ryan/Buckley @ 630 $2
Holland/Adams/Buckley @ 6076 $2
Holland/Adams/Shinn @ 850 $1
Holland/Ryan/Shinn @ 90 $2
20 Adams @ 14
10 Buckley @ 14
Re: Jockey Challenge
by brent-83 » Fri May 07, 2010 12:56 pm
Holland pretty much gone by not winning that race.
Good 2 points there for Symons.
Good 2 points there for Symons.
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by Mr_Willy » Fri May 07, 2010 1:06 pm
Yep, Holland will need a miracle to win now...
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by Mr_Willy » Fri May 07, 2010 1:41 pm
Handy win for Cavallo at Orange with Ryan not scoring
I really feel Ryan's card is overrated... a lot of rides, but and a lot of scoring chances, but I don't think many of them are definite point scorers....
I really feel Ryan's card is overrated... a lot of rides, but and a lot of scoring chances, but I don't think many of them are definite point scorers....
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Re: Jockey Challenge
by Mr_Willy » Fri May 07, 2010 1:50 pm
No points for Bowman... Shinn gets the 3.... and the outsider Sweeney gets two... GO SWEENEY!!
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