HFL Division 1 (Central)

[Amateur Footy]

As an IB supporter I can't complain about the size of Bridgy oval

Would agree with other comments tho. However I will say I consider we have a fight on our hands along with Bridgy and Loby as being the clubs first in the firing line. Lots of work to do.

I wonder if Hughes has to guarantee to HFL he will support TV for a number of years? It would not seem just to demote a team for TV if Hughes pulls out after a year and they are forced back to Country.

[Clever Dick]

As an IB supporter I can't complain about the size of Bridgy oval

Would agree with other comments tho. However I will say I consider we have a fight on our hands along with Bridgy and Loby as being the clubs first in the firing line. Lots of work to do.

I wonder if Hughes has to guarantee to HFL he will support TV for a number of years? It would not seem just to demote a team for TV if Hughes pulls out after a year and they are forced back to Country.

Might blame it on the global financial crisis as the cause of that.

[Rooster]

Looks like at the Moment going on the current ladders across all grades its between Lobethal & Mt Lofty as to who will be moving to the Country Division next year!!!!!!!!!

Way to early to call anything like that mate. I don't think we'll know until the second half of the season and then some. I think you'll find Lofty have come up against two very good sides so you can't throw them into that basket just yet.

I'm pretty sure a wink implies sarcasm... either that or ATS fancies someone on the forum...

im confident ATS fancies someone on this forum. my tip is he's hot for The Gimp. cant blame him really.

[ball breaker]

Howdy gang .... long time listener first time caller

i often keep an eye on the Great Southern forum ... what's with Ironbank 'recruiting' players after the footy season has started? by all reports three players from Goolwa have signed up with Ironbank!

I'm not sure of the main reasons but it appears from reading the GSFL's site that it's dollars related! is this correct or is there more too it ??

If it's purely dollars i'm a little disappointed! ... where has the 'etiquette' gone!! a little disappointing if u ask me!

is any one able to shed some light on this? I'd like to hear the other side of the story before i let off any rounds!

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[Rooster]

Howdy gang .... long time listener first time caller

i often keep an eye on the Great Southern forum ... what's with Ironbank 'recruiting' players after the footy season has started? by all reports three players from Goolwa have signed up with Ironbank!

I'm not sure of the main reasons but it appears from reading the GSFL's site that it's dollars related! is this correct or is there more too it ??

If it's purely dollars i'm a little disappointed! ... where has the 'etiquette' gone!! a little disappointing if u ask me!

is any one able to shed some light on this? I'd like to hear the other side of the story before i let off any rounds!

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ballbreaker... you're right it is dissapointing, but not at all surprising. ironbank are well within their rights to recruit players at any stage of the season, and the money thing is unfortunately just the way footy is these days. loyalty went out the window with most players a few years ago, and if clubs want to keep up and be competitive they have to find a way to offer some cash.
dissapointing yes. surprising no.

that said, please feel free to let off some rounds at ironbank... i'll enjoy the read!

[ball breaker]

Howdy gang .... long time listener first time caller

i often keep an eye on the Great Southern forum ... what's with Ironbank 'recruiting' players after the footy season has started? by all reports three players from Goolwa have signed up with Ironbank!

I'm not sure of the main reasons but it appears from reading the GSFL's site that it's dollars related! is this correct or is there more too it ??

If it's purely dollars i'm a little disappointed! ... where has the 'etiquette' gone!! a little disappointing if u ask me!

is any one able to shed some light on this? I'd like to hear the other side of the story before i let off any rounds!

ballbreaker... you're right it is dissapointing, but not at all surprising. ironbank are well within their rights to recruit players at any stage of the season, and the money thing is unfortunately just the way footy is these days. loyalty went out the window with most players a few years ago, and if clubs want to keep up and be competitive they have to find a way to offer some cash.
dissapointing yes. surprising no.

that said, please feel free to let off some rounds at ironbank... i'll enjoy the read!

ta mate i understand ... BUT ... i think i'll wait to see what happens on Saturday arvo's and I'll start loading the rounds up and maybe shoot of sat and sundays after a game! i'm sure they'll be praying for some sort of instant results

oh further to this i'mnot affiliated with Goolwa!

[Amateur Footy]

Don't make assumptions boys. IB don't have the finances of a few other clubs remember. These boys have been spoken to in prior seasons and know a few blokes at the club. I believe they are tired off the lack of commitment at Goolwa, particularly on the track and this season looked no different with a coach almost quitting. Impressed to see we had 35 blokes on the track on a Tuesday night and they are top blokes from what I saw last night.

I for one hate the $$$ in football, but it's amazing it even gets brought up now when it's widespread. Also don't forget we lost our best player 2 weeks before season started for $$$ reasons, so we can't sit back and do nothing.

[Tanka]

Don't make assumptions boys. IB don't have the finances of a few other clubs remember. These boys have been spoken to in prior seasons and know a few blokes at the club. I believe they are tired off the lack of commitment at Goolwa, particularly on the track and this season looked no different with a coach almost quitting. Impressed to see we had 35 blokes on the track on a Tuesday night and they are top blokes from what I saw last night.

I for one hate the $$$ in football, but it's amazing it even gets brought up now when it's widespread. Also don't forget we lost our best player 2 weeks before season started for $$$ reasons, so we can't sit back and do nothing.

Also freed up $$ to then committ to Yeomans demands??

[Vaughan]

just a dissapointing loss at the raider fortress.
onkas jump us in the first qtr and that was the margin between the teams all day.
really looking forward to the big birdwood clash now.
must win to keep our finals dreams alive.

to magiemaster,
6 or 7 years ago we were whinging about too many recruits...........
now your the one doing the whinging just put a cork in it!
maybe we could use your trophy cabinet that you expanded last year as our new home ground. it sounds like a nice large piece of vacant land.

and as for me its by by hahndy.

RAIDERS till i die.
V.

[Banker]

Blame Chief/hamilton for leaving it so late to quit Ironbank... That really **** us over, now we need to make sure we wont get relegated to Country Div.

Seems some other clubs would never do this if in the same position

[Justquietly]

Being an ex-Lofty lad, good to hear that even though the scoreline didn't suggest it, we've perhaps pushed (?) what could now be considered 2 of the top 3 teams. Those injuries will hurt. Definitely lacking height. So re the relegation - if for example, Lofty get in the 5 but struggle in B's and juniors, we could still be relegated? I know history is history but is it fair to base it all on a club's performance of ONE solitary year? Most other sports' relagations system is based purely on the league team's final standing, which too can be unfair. I'm not putting forward any particular team at the moment but thought that perhaps at least a few years of a whole club's performance, and their amenities be taken into consideration and then ave promotion/relegation each year after that. Or just leave it as COUNTRY and CENTRAL, based on geography?

[Banker]

Good point, its not really Central Division if Birdwood and TV are playing.

It seems like there is alot of confusion about what qualifys a club to be relegated. Surely somebody knows for certain?

[Mop Up]

I know in many other sports such as State League netball it is over a 3 yr period on which teams are judged.

It would seem that this has thrown away any chance of a team "rebuilding" with their own home grown youth and replaced it with getting as many paid players in as possible to ensure their club stays in Div 1.

Thought the points system was designed to encourage clubs to play local players yet this relegation on 1 yrs performance negates this

[woody]

Good point, its not really Central Division if Birdwood and TV are playing.

It seems like there is alot of confusion about what qualifys a club to be relegated. Surely somebody knows for certain?

How did Blackwood join the central comp?.
Surely they are suburban Adelaide?

[Tanka]

All this talk about TV automatically playing in the Central comp next year has caused quite a stir, but as I understand ( happy to be corrected ) the constitution it will take a vote from all clubs to decide the best outcome.

Currently the constition states that there must be a 10 team comp in Central and any club wishing to join must apply by June 30 the previous year. There is no mention in the current constitution of an automatic promotion/relegation if this occurs, so this also leaves open the option of an 11 team Central comp. Either way the constitution would have to be changed by the member clubs.

Also, if a team is relegated this year and TV are promoted what happens the following year??? Will a Country team have to apply to come up again or will it then become an automatic system??? One would expect that outside of TV most other clubs that finish top 2 would not have the finances or even want to come up so will this mean that the team that is relegated this year may be in Country div for a longer period unless they re-apply to come straight back up.

Whatever the case ends up at the moment there is no way TV are definately playing in Central Div next year.

[Howard]

Good point, its not really Central Division if Birdwood and TV are playing.

It seems like there is alot of confusion about what qualifys a club to be relegated. Surely somebody knows for certain?

Why hasn't the HFL board outlined the criteria relating to being relegated? Clubs should be 100% aware of these details as I suspect none will want to be relegated, the longer the HFL takes to advise the clubs, whoever is finally relegated, could argue they were not informed of the relevant criteria and thereby be allowed to stay in Central??

If it hasn't been decided yet I'd ask why the hell not, and if it has why haven't the clubs been told??

[LuvsFooty]

Don't make assumptions boys. IB don't have the finances of a few other clubs remember. These boys have been spoken to in prior seasons and know a few blokes at the club. I believe they are tired off the lack of commitment at Goolwa, particularly on the track and this season looked no different with a coach almost quitting. Impressed to see we had 35 blokes on the track on a Tuesday night and they are top blokes from what I saw last night.

I for one hate the $$$ in football, but it's amazing it even gets brought up now when it's widespread. Also don't forget we lost our best player 2 weeks before season started for $$$ reasons, so we can't sit back and do nothing.

Also freed up $$ to then committ to Yeomans demands??

If IB dont have the finances that some other clubs have they may need to do some solid fundraising. Without knowing the full details I am sure that the "new" players will need to have their contracts paid out to their previous club (as per Ben Yeomans' situation in 2009 with South Adelaide). That wont be a cheap exercise. Clause 2 of the Community Football Contract states that no player shall apply for a clearance while under their agreement.

[MONTE CRISTO]

I stand corrected too Tanka but my understanding is that TV only need to finish 1st or 2nd to be guaranteed a spot in Div 1 next year as they have made application as required. I think relegation is based on club performance rather than just the A Grade, so if your A Grade finishes 8th but the other grades don't perform very well you could be relegated, which I think puts Lobethal in the firing line. Wouldn't bet my life on this stuff though.

[Tanka]

I stand corrected too Tanka but my understanding is that TV only need to finish 1st or 2nd to be guaranteed a spot in Div 1 next year as they have made application as required. I think relegation is based on club performance rather than just the A Grade, so if your A Grade finishes 8th but the other grades don't perform very well you could be relegated, which I think puts Lobethal in the firing line. Wouldn't bet my life on this stuff though.

Monte I don't think they can be guaranteed yet because there is no promotion/relegation system in place for 2011. It has been "suggested" that this would be the best practice if a team applied to join Central and there were already 10 teams, but has not been voted in by the member clubs as a definate for the 2011 season.
As Howard has suggested to force a team to be relegated at the end of this season in any matter would come under serious scrutiny because if teams had known this to be the case they could have spent every last $$ available to stay up in 2011, knowing the following year 2012 there may be no teams from Country interested. I think this is why IB are doing everything possible to stay up and why wouldnt they. We would all do the same if it was our teams!!

[Mop Up]

Don't make assumptions boys. IB don't have the finances of a few other clubs remember. These boys have been spoken to in prior seasons and know a few blokes at the club. I believe they are tired off the lack of commitment at Goolwa, particularly on the track and this season looked no different with a coach almost quitting. Impressed to see we had 35 blokes on the track on a Tuesday night and they are top blokes from what I saw last night.

I for one hate the $$$ in football, but it's amazing it even gets brought up now when it's widespread. Also don't forget we lost our best player 2 weeks before season started for $$$ reasons, so we can't sit back and do nothing.

Also freed up $$ to then committ to Yeomans demands??

If IB dont have the finances that some other clubs have they may need to do some solid fundraising. Without knowing the full details I am sure that the "new" players will need to have their contracts paid out to their previous club (as per Ben Yeomans' situation in 2009 with South Adelaide). That wont be a cheap exercise. Clause 2 of the Community Football Contract states that no player shall apply for a clearance while under their agreement.

Those contracts aren't worth the paper their written on LF. To be honest I dont really understand why theyre signed full stop.

Many a time our footy club has had players "under contract" sign with other clubs and there is not a thing you can do about it